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larry moe 'n curly
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:18 am Post subject:
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Toyota is much safer because when I work on my Ford I get angry at all
the stupid design quirks and low quality factory parts, and this causes
me to kill many, many innocent victims. OTOH it's easier to wash blood
off Ford paint.
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:18 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | A patrol officer can cover much more area and respond faster if in a vehicle. \
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True.
| Quote: | Motorized patrols are much more effective than foot patrols, in general.
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It would seem so, but real life says the correlations between motorized
patrols and crime rates are very low (earliest evidence was a Kansas
City study in the 1970s), much lower than for foot patrols or, when
they're impractical, increased community relations.
| Quote: | Ask any chief of any major metro PD.
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Are they the same chiefs who think current drug law enforcement is
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FanJet
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:18 am Post subject:
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Mike Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | On wet roads as well. The PSP banned FWD cars from patrol work years
ago, after several troopers were killed in FWD cars. The feds gave
them FWD cars to enforce the federal speed limit on the Interstate
highways under the '55 Alive' program. The few unmarked FWD cars
they do have today are only used by detectives and those troopers on
administrative duty. They won't even pull over speeders, who may
run, they radio to troopers in the area on patrol.
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Proper vehicle choice and a decent driving school would fix this. They need
the latter in any event.
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FanJet
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:18 am Post subject:
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..dbu. wrote:
| Quote: | This is purely cop talk and almost never true. If they spent some
time on their feet patrolling the neighborhood, odds are my
hypothetical robbery wouldn't have taken place to begin with.
A patrol officer can cover much more area and respond faster if in a
vehicle. Motorized patrols are much more effective than foot patrols,
in general. Ask any chief of any major metro PD. Having said that,
if there is a specific localized problem area, it could benefit from
foot patrol. A smart Chief will utilize both, upon a scrutiny of
data to support either one in a given situation.
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Radio is faster than either and there aren't any physical laws preventing a
cruiser from picking up a foot officer when needed. Specific local problems
are exactly *the* problem in metro areas - no secret there. As you said, a
smart chief will use both but you don't see many foot patrols anymore.
Backing up a bit, a smart chief will also prevent dangerous, superfluous
high-speed car chases since they're very rarely needed not to mention the
fact that the drivers nor cars are qualified for such stunts. |
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FanJet
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject:
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rantonrave@mail.com wrote:
| Quote: | .dbu. wrote:
A patrol officer can cover much more area and respond faster if in a
vehicle. \
True.
Motorized patrols are much more effective than foot patrols, in
general.
It would seem so, but real life says the correlations between
motorized patrols and crime rates are very low (earliest evidence was
a Kansas City study in the 1970s), much lower than for foot patrols
or, when they're impractical, increased community relations.
Ask any chief of any major metro PD.
Are they the same chiefs who think current drug law enforcement is
effective?
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I'd say very few chiefs think current drug law enforcement is effective.
Further, most must know that the laws themselves are completely ineffective.
I'm sure they'd tell you they don't make the laws and they'd be correct.
OTH, they are in a position to tell the Rambos in their care that high speed
pursuits are not allowed. |
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Dan J.S.
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject:
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Talk to any highway patrol cop and see for yourself which they prefer for
high speed pursuit. The PA State Police do
not allow their FWD cars to be used for patrol work, to dangerous. When
Ford tested CV for the NHTSA, against the two other police models from GM
and Chrysler, under the same controlled 50 mph crash tests the other two
were completely destroyed. When the parked CV was hit the striking
vehicle went in as far as the back seat. When the Chevy was hit at 50 mph
the vehicle went in into the front seat. When the Dodge was hit the
vehicle went completely through and over the car! Do some research of
the NHTSA site of its investigation into CV fires before you make anymore
foolish comments WBMA ;)
mike
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My only foolish comment was agreeing that the police dept prefers the cars
you mentioned because they were RWD. This is because no one offers an
alternative any more. |
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Mike Hunter
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject:
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Ya right. How many FWD race cars do you know of? Indy banned FWD cars many
years ago after a driver or two where killed because of the poor handling of
FWD at speed
mike
"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mike Hunter wrote:
On wet roads as well. The PSP banned FWD cars from patrol work years
ago, after several troopers were killed in FWD cars. The feds gave
them FWD cars to enforce the federal speed limit on the Interstate
highways under the '55 Alive' program. The few unmarked FWD cars
they do have today are only used by detectives and those troopers on
administrative duty. They won't even pull over speeders, who may
run, they radio to troopers in the area on patrol.
Proper vehicle choice and a decent driving school would fix this. They
need the latter in any event.
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FanJet
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject:
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Mike Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | Ya right. How many FWD race cars do you know of? Indy banned FWD
cars many years ago after a driver or two where killed because of the
poor handling of FWD at speed
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So, what does Indy have to do with cops misusing public roads??? |
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C. E. White
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:07 am Post subject:
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"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | http://www.autosafety.org/casresults.php?find=toyota&x=0&y=0
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You need to consider the source of this information. Autosafety.org is run
by trial lawyer for the benefit of trial lawyers.
| Quote: | Do a search for "Ford" = 278 results
Meaningless numer unless you you examin each one for significance. Is a |
recall to inspect a seat back latch on 500 cars as significant as a recall
to inspect 700,000 vehicles with potentiall bad balljoits?
| Quote: | Do a search for "Toyota" = 73 results
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See below
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At least 20 law enforcement officers have been killed in fiery collisions
involving Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, due to an inadequate
fuel system. The civilian platform of these vehicles includes the Ford
Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car, all with the
same faulty fuel system. Ford has fixed the police vehicles, but refuses
to recall the civilian cars.
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For Crown Victorias go read -
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/national/main524280.shtml
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said the car exceeds
federal standards for fuel system safety and the rate of fires was no
greater than with Chevrolet Caprice police cars.....
"NHTSA said it is aware of only four fire-related rear crashes resulting in
four deaths in more than 2.6 million civilian Crown Victoria cars."
A Ford Crown Victoria has a much better injury loss rating than a Toyota
Avalon or Camry. So, if you are worried about safety, you should be driving
the Crown Victoria (see http://www.iihs.org/brochures/ictl/ictl_4dr.html).
| Quote: | With 12 safety recalls to date and 7 defect investigations, the Ford Focus
proved to be an embarrassment to Ford Motor Company and its President
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This is exactly the sort of crap that drives me crazy. No single Focus model
has been recalled 12 or 13 times. All the various Focus models from the last
5 years have been recalled 13 times combined. However, not all Focus
models/years have been recalled. "Focus" is not a single car line. It is
made up of 4 related but distinct models. Some models from some years have
been recalled, most have not.
Here is a brief history of Foci recalls:
2000 Focus
00S20S1 OCT 00 Recall - `A' Pillar Trim Replacement - 351,000 vehicles -
changes shape of a trim piece
01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover - not Focus
specific
00S55 JAN 01 Recall - Rear Seat Back Hinge Replacement - 95,000 vehicles
Focus ZX Wagon Only
00S50 DEC 00 Recall - Decklid Wire Harness Replacement - 74,500 vehicles,
wagons / hatchbacks not affected
00S31 OCT 00 Recall - Wheel Bearing Inspection/Retainer Installation -
203,700 vehicles, inspection of wheel bearing retaining nut to verify proper
installation.
99S35 DEC 99 Recall - Speed Control Cable & Servo Replacement - 534
vehicles, SVT models only.
05S27S1 APR 05 Recall - Rear Door Latch Inspection/Door Seal Install (4
Door Models only)
03N01 JAN 04 Recall - Fuel Delivery Module Defect
02S41 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque & Battery Cable Routing
02S42 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque and Battery Cable Routing (really
same as 02S41)
2001 Focus
01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover - see 2000,
not Focus specific
01S13 MAR 01 Recall - Seat Back Recliner Handle Spring Replacement - 8,500
vehicles damaged by a test, dealer to inspect / replace as necessary
00S55 JAN 01 Recall - Rear Seat Back Hinge Replacement
05S27S1 APR 05 Recall - Rear Door Latch Inspection/Door Seal Install (4
Door Models only)
03N01 JAN 04 Recall - Fuel Delivery Module Defect
02S41 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque & Battery Cable Routing
02S42 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque and Battery Cable Routing (really
same as 02S41)
2002 Focus
05S27S1 APR 05 Recall - Rear Door Latch Inspection/Door Seal Install (4
Doord Models only)
02S37 APR 02 Recall - Speed Control Cable/Throttle Body Defect
2003 Focus
No Safety Recalls
2004 Focus
No Safety Recalls
2005 Focus
No Safety Recalls
You seem so up on Ford Recalls, do you have any idea how Toyota stacks up?
How many safety recalls have affect Toyotas in recent years?
2000
Avalon - 1 00V154000
Camry - 2 00V154000, 01V012000
Solara - 1 00V154000
Echo - 3 00V256000, 01V326000, 04V455000
Celica - 2 04V566000, 04V45500,
RAV4 - 2 00V211000, 00V212000
Tacoma - 1 01E041000
Tundra -2 01E041000, 99V347003
2001
4Runner - 1 05V225000
Avalon - 1 01V072000
Camry - 2 01V072000, 01V012000
Celica - 1 04V566000
Echo -1 02V268000
Highlander - 3 02V208000, 04V181000, 01V228000
Prius - 1 00V285000
Sienna - 1 01V072000
Tacoma - 2 03V189000, 05V225000,
2002
4Runner - 1 05V225000
Camry - 3 04V346000, 01V372000, 01V306000
Celica - 1 03V074000
Echo - 1 02V268000
Highlander - 2 02V208000, 04V181000
Sequoia - 1 05V225000
2003
4Runner - 2 02V339000, 03V146000
Camry - 1 04V346000
Celica - 1 03V074000
Corolla - 1 02V074001
Highlander - 2 02V339000, 04V181000
Sequoia - 1 05V225000
Tacoma - 2 03V189000, 05V225000
2004
Camry - 2 04V346000, 04V595000
Corolla - 1 03V366000
Highlander -1 04V181000
Prius - 1 04V558000
Sequoia - 1 05V225000
Sienna - 2 03V291000, 05V327000
Tacoma - 2 05V225000, 04V214000
2005
Avalon - 1 05V227000
Camry - 1 04V595000
Scion TC - 1 05V483000
Tacoma - 2 05V302000, 05V050000
Tundra - 2 05V123000, 05V328000
So, counting distinct recalls by model (only counting recall programs once,
not once per year), in the last 5 years there have been 3 Avalon recalls, 7
Camry recalls, 1 Solara recall, 3 Echo recalls, 3 Celica recalls, 2 RAV4
recall, 7 Tacoma recalls, 4 Tundra recalls, 3 4Runner recalls, 5 Highlander
recalls, 2 Prius recalls (plus one pending), 3 Sienna recalls, and 1 Sequoia
recall. If you break down the Focus recalls by model, instead of lumping
them all together, the most recalled model has only 6 recalls (4 door
sedan). So, if you are fair, you should be screaming about Camrys which have
been recalled more often than 4 door Focus models over the last 5 years. The
Tacoma has been recalled even more often, but the model was significantly
redesigned in the last 5 years. If you consider the number of vehicles
affected by recall, well Camrys are the #1 selling car - you do the math.
You should also consider that the Focus was a new design when introduced in
2000. There have been no safety recalls for Focus models made in the last
three years. The Camry, a very mature design (in other words - old, stale,
obsolete, tired) is still generating recalls after 6 years. And you also
need to factor in Toyota stonewalling tactics. They never have a problem
till the whole world comes down on them......
I'll be waiting for your explanation of why Foci are bad and Camrys are
good.
Regards,
Ed White |
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C. E. White
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:15 am Post subject:
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".dbu." <foolishlefties@Zapem.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | they use fords because ford has packages, options and rear wheel drive.
Toyota is not interested in making squad cars. It's a niche market.
Remember when Mopar had the police market tied up back in the sixties?
Their 440 cid would and could outrun a ford in a heartbeat.
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How far back do you want to go? A 1969 Ford 428 NC Highway Patrol Car would
outrun a 1968 or 1970 Dodge 440 NC Highway Patrol Car. These are the only
years I know for sure.
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C. E. White
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:18 am Post subject:
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At least in NC, the Highway patrol has split their recent purchases between
Ford Crown Victorias and Chevrolet Impalas with a few older Camaros still
around as pursuit vehicles. Neither the CV or Impala is really fast enough
to catch the fastest civilian cars. I personally would prefer that high
speed pursuits be avoided. I suspect the Dodge Charger will soon be the
police vehicle of choice...
Ed
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On wet roads as well. The PSP banned FWD cars from patrol work years ago,
after several troopers were killed in FWD cars. The feds gave them FWD
cars to enforce the federal speed limit on the Interstate highways under
the '55 Alive' program. The few unmarked FWD cars they do have today are
only used by detectives and those troopers on administrative duty. They
won't even pull over speeders, who may run, they radio to troopers in the
area on patrol.
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C. E. White
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:22 am Post subject:
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"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mike Hunter wrote:
If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids,
when you call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want
them chasing him down the highway if they see him LOL
This is purely cop talk and almost never true. If they spent some time on
their feet patrolling the neighborhood, odds are my hypothetical robbery
wouldn't have taken place to begin with.
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The last time my home was robbed, the Police gave me a report and did
nothing - even after I called them up and told them the name of the guy who
tried to cash a check using the blank checks he had stolen from my house. I
talked to an officer about this later, and he pretty much admitted they
don't spend much time investigating home robberies. And I am very sure, they
wouldn't arrive at a home in time to pursue a robber at high speed or
otherwise.
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TheSnoMan
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C. E. White wrote:
| Quote: | ".dbu." <foolishlefties@Zapem.com> wrote in message
news:foolishlefties-9CEC6D.09073720112005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...
they use fords because ford has packages, options and rear wheel drive.
Toyota is not interested in making squad cars. It's a niche market.
Remember when Mopar had the police market tied up back in the sixties?
Their 440 cid would and could outrun a ford in a heartbeat.
How far back do you want to go? A 1969 Ford 428 NC Highway Patrol Car would
outrun a 1968 or 1970 Dodge 440 NC Highway Patrol Car. These are the only
years I know for sure.
Ed
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I am not a Dodge man but only in your dreams. Those old 440 wedges were
some real stump pullers and not that the 428 was bad, the 440 was
better. Alrond here in the time frame the hiway patrol drove stripped
chevys with 427's in them and they were seriously fast, Ford never made
much of a impression around here in police market back them and the
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C. E. White
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:57 am Post subject:
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"TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | C. E. White wrote:
".dbu." <foolishlefties@Zapem.com> wrote in message
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they use fords because ford has packages, options and rear wheel drive.
Toyota is not interested in making squad cars. It's a niche market.
Remember when Mopar had the police market tied up back in the sixties?
Their 440 cid would and could outrun a ford in a heartbeat.
How far back do you want to go? A 1969 Ford 428 NC Highway Patrol Car
would outrun a 1968 or 1970 Dodge 440 NC Highway Patrol Car. These are
the only years I know for sure.
Ed
I am not a Dodge man but only in your dreams. Those old 440 wedges were
some real stump pullers and not that the 428 was bad, the 440 was better.
Alrond here in the time frame the hiway patrol drove stripped chevys with
427's in them and they were seriously fast, Ford never made much of a
impression around here in police market back them and the police 427's had
better top end than the police 428's did too
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I am only going by what the local highway patrol officer told me back then.
He was really unhappy when they replaced his Ford with a Dodge. I never
drove either myself. I do know that none of the kids with hot cars had any
trouble out running the local Dodges. If fact, when I was in high school,
the "boys" thought Dodges were a joke. The hottest cars were mostly Cheives
with a couple of Fords. Just before the local Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth
dealership folded for good, the new owner ordered two very fast cars, a Hemi
Cuda and a 440 Six pack Challenger. Unfortunately no one I knew ever tried
them out. We also had a Boss 429 Mustang in the next town. I wish I could
have tried that one myself. The performance car of choice was an SS Chevelle
(either 396 or 454). One guy had a very Fast 429 Super Cobra Jet Torino. The
one fast Dodge in the area was a 440 Charger, but nobody ever seemed
impressed by it. I think the most impressive local car was a 1067 Corvette
with a "hot" 396. It was owned by a local guy who worked at the Chevy
dealer. It was legendary in the area. The local Police department had a 427
Impala. The only time it was driven hard was in when they took it in for
service. The mechanics always had to take it out to "blow out" the carbon. I
never had any sort of performance car until I was well into my 40's and even
then it was only a Mustang GT (which I suspect would have outrun the typical
early 70's patrol car).
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FanJet
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:29 am Post subject:
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C. E. White wrote:
| Quote: | "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
news:11nuhn593hu0p1c@news.supernews.com...
http://www.autosafety.org/casresults.php?find=toyota&x=0&y=0
You need to consider the source of this information. Autosafety.org
is run by trial lawyer for the benefit of trial lawyers.
Do a search for "Ford" = 278 results
Meaningless numer unless you you examin each one for significance. Is
a recall to inspect a seat back latch on 500 cars as significant as a
recall to inspect 700,000 vehicles with potentiall bad balljoits?
Do a search for "Toyota" = 73 results
See below
Quote:
At least 20 law enforcement officers have been killed in fiery
collisions involving Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, due
to an inadequate fuel system. The civilian platform of these
vehicles includes the Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis,
and Lincoln Town Car, all with the same faulty fuel system. Ford
has fixed the police vehicles, but refuses to recall the civilian
cars.
For Crown Victorias go read -
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/national/main524280.shtml
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said the car
exceeds federal standards for fuel system safety and the rate of
fires was no greater than with Chevrolet Caprice police cars.....
"NHTSA said it is aware of only four fire-related rear crashes
resulting in four deaths in more than 2.6 million civilian Crown
Victoria cars."
A Ford Crown Victoria has a much better injury loss rating than a
Toyota Avalon or Camry. So, if you are worried about safety, you
should be driving the Crown Victoria (see
http://www.iihs.org/brochures/ictl/ictl_4dr.html).
With 12 safety recalls to date and 7 defect investigations, the Ford
Focus proved to be an embarrassment to Ford Motor Company and its
President
This is exactly the sort of crap that drives me crazy. No single
Focus model has been recalled 12 or 13 times. All the various Focus
models from the last 5 years have been recalled 13 times combined.
However, not all Focus models/years have been recalled. "Focus" is
not a single car line. It is made up of 4 related but distinct
models. Some models from some years have been recalled, most have not.
Here is a brief history of Foci recalls:
2000 Focus
00S20S1 OCT 00 Recall - `A' Pillar Trim Replacement - 351,000
vehicles - changes shape of a trim piece
01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover - not
Focus specific
00S55 JAN 01 Recall - Rear Seat Back Hinge Replacement - 95,000
vehicles Focus ZX Wagon Only
00S50 DEC 00 Recall - Decklid Wire Harness Replacement - 74,500
vehicles, wagons / hatchbacks not affected
00S31 OCT 00 Recall - Wheel Bearing Inspection/Retainer Installation -
203,700 vehicles, inspection of wheel bearing retaining nut to verify
proper installation.
99S35 DEC 99 Recall - Speed Control Cable & Servo Replacement - 534
vehicles, SVT models only.
05S27S1 APR 05 Recall - Rear Door Latch Inspection/Door Seal Install
(4 Door Models only)
03N01 JAN 04 Recall - Fuel Delivery Module Defect
02S41 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque & Battery Cable Routing
02S42 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque and Battery Cable Routing
(really same as 02S41)
2001 Focus
01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover - see
2000, not Focus specific
01S13 MAR 01 Recall - Seat Back Recliner Handle Spring Replacement -
8,500 vehicles damaged by a test, dealer to inspect / replace as
necessary 00S55 JAN 01 Recall - Rear Seat Back Hinge Replacement
05S27S1 APR 05 Recall - Rear Door Latch Inspection/Door Seal Install
(4 Door Models only)
03N01 JAN 04 Recall - Fuel Delivery Module Defect
02S41 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque & Battery Cable Routing
02S42 JAN 03 Recall - Pinch Bolt Torque and Battery Cable Routing
(really same as 02S41)
2002 Focus
05S27S1 APR 05 Recall - Rear Door Latch Inspection/Door Seal Install
(4 Doord Models only)
02S37 APR 02 Recall - Speed Control Cable/Throttle Body Defect
2003 Focus
No Safety Recalls
2004 Focus
No Safety Recalls
2005 Focus
No Safety Recalls
You seem so up on Ford Recalls, do you have any idea how Toyota
stacks up? How many safety recalls have affect Toyotas in recent
years?
2000
Avalon - 1 00V154000
Camry - 2 00V154000, 01V012000
Solara - 1 00V154000
Echo - 3 00V256000, 01V326000, 04V455000
Celica - 2 04V566000, 04V45500,
RAV4 - 2 00V211000, 00V212000
Tacoma - 1 01E041000
Tundra -2 01E041000, 99V347003
2001
4Runner - 1 05V225000
Avalon - 1 01V072000
Camry - 2 01V072000, 01V012000
Celica - 1 04V566000
Echo -1 02V268000
Highlander - 3 02V208000, 04V181000, 01V228000
Prius - 1 00V285000
Sienna - 1 01V072000
Tacoma - 2 03V189000, 05V225000,
2002
4Runner - 1 05V225000
Camry - 3 04V346000, 01V372000, 01V306000
Celica - 1 03V074000
Echo - 1 02V268000
Highlander - 2 02V208000, 04V181000
Sequoia - 1 05V225000
2003
4Runner - 2 02V339000, 03V146000
Camry - 1 04V346000
Celica - 1 03V074000
Corolla - 1 02V074001
Highlander - 2 02V339000, 04V181000
Sequoia - 1 05V225000
Tacoma - 2 03V189000, 05V225000
2004
Camry - 2 04V346000, 04V595000
Corolla - 1 03V366000
Highlander -1 04V181000
Prius - 1 04V558000
Sequoia - 1 05V225000
Sienna - 2 03V291000, 05V327000
Tacoma - 2 05V225000, 04V214000
2005
Avalon - 1 05V227000
Camry - 1 04V595000
Scion TC - 1 05V483000
Tacoma - 2 05V302000, 05V050000
Tundra - 2 05V123000, 05V328000
So, counting distinct recalls by model (only counting recall programs
once, not once per year), in the last 5 years there have been 3
Avalon recalls, 7 Camry recalls, 1 Solara recall, 3 Echo recalls, 3
Celica recalls, 2 RAV4 recall, 7 Tacoma recalls, 4 Tundra recalls, 3
4Runner recalls, 5 Highlander recalls, 2 Prius recalls (plus one
pending), 3 Sienna recalls, and 1 Sequoia recall. If you break down
the Focus recalls by model, instead of lumping them all together, the
most recalled model has only 6 recalls (4 door sedan). So, if you are
fair, you should be screaming about Camrys which have been recalled
more often than 4 door Focus models over the last 5 years. The Tacoma
has been recalled even more often, but the model was significantly
redesigned in the last 5 years. If you consider the number of
vehicles affected by recall, well Camrys are the #1 selling car - you
do the math.
You should also consider that the Focus was a new design when
introduced in 2000. There have been no safety recalls for Focus
models made in the last three years. The Camry, a very mature design
(in other words - old, stale, obsolete, tired) is still generating
recalls after 6 years. And you also need to factor in Toyota
stonewalling tactics. They never have a problem till the whole world
comes down on them......
I'll be waiting for your explanation of why Foci are bad and Camrys
are good.
Regards,
Ed White
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You'll never get it. In fact, if you skate around the auto transmission
issues, Accords are better than Camrys and there's no question that the '06
civic is much better than an '06 Corolla. Properly optioned, a Focus is a
better value than either and fun to drive. Let's see - what's left in the
Toyota fun-to-drive stable? Bozos dropped the Celica just as I was thinking
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