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C. E. White
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:54 am Post subject:
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Reuters / November 16, 2005
TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp. will begin using a cheaper and smaller hybrid
system from 2008, more than doubling production of the fuel-sipping vehicles
by then to 600,000 units a year, the Asahi newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Japan's top automaker is keen to spread the hybrid powertrain as the main
fuel-efficient alternative to internal combustion engines to make up for
initial spending on research and development and to lower high per-unit
production costs.
Toyota is aiming to sell 1 million hybrid vehicles annually some time in the
decade beginning in 2010.
Since rolling out the world's first gasoline-electric hybrid car in 1997,
Toyota has improved the powertrain with a second-generation system it calls
THS II, which powers the remodeled Prius and Lexus RX 400h SUV, among
others.
But the hybrid system, which allows vehicles to run on an electric motor
under certain driving conditions to save fuel, still costs manufacturers --
and consumers -- a premium of thousands of dollars over regular cars.
By making the system smaller, Toyota aims to slash the premium by half and
expand its use to most of its mid-sized or larger cars, the newspaper said,
without citing sources.
Toyota executives have said they aimed to eventually make the powertrain
available across its entire product line-up.
Toyota has been pouring r&d resources into addressing the cost issue, but a
spokeswoman said a target date for a third generation hybrid system had not
been set.
"2008 is certainly a possibility, but we don't know that yet," she said.
Toyota expects to build and sell about 250,000 hybrid vehicles this year
through its eight model offerings.
Next year, that will rise to between 350,000 and 400,000 units, boosted by
the addition of the Camry hybrid to be built in Kentucky from the latter
half of 2006, and the China-built Prius, production of which has been
targeted to begin by this year.
The newspaper said Toyota would begin making key components for the hybrid
systems in the United States -- the first time this manufacturing would be
done outside Japan -- in line with the automaker's stated aim to eventually
procure such parts locally.
Led by Toyota's aggressive push, sales of hybrid vehicles have risen sharply
over the past few years, particularly in the United States and Europe, but
automakers have yet to agree on a de facto powertrain for saving fuel.
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Brent Secombe
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
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In article <YMOef.9344$2y.768@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, C. E.
White <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Reuters / November 16, 2005
TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp. will begin using a cheaper and smaller hybrid
system from 2008, more than doubling production of the fuel-sipping vehicles
by then to 600,000 units a year, the Asahi newspaper reported on Wednesday.
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Thank you.
My Avalon from Georgetown is an excellent and trouble-free car, so I'm
comfortable with Toyota's building future hybrids here. I'm aware that
others will disagree. I speak for myself.
I think I'll wait for testimonials before buying a future Prius built
in China.
Brent |
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D.D. Pallmer
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:22 am Post subject:
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The end of GM, if it doesn't die in the meantime.
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:YMOef.9344$2y.768@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
| Quote: | Reuters / November 16, 2005
TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp. will begin using a cheaper and smaller hybrid
system from 2008, more than doubling production of the fuel-sipping
vehicles by then to 600,000 units a year, the Asahi newspaper reported on
Wednesday.
Japan's top automaker is keen to spread the hybrid powertrain as the main
fuel-efficient alternative to internal combustion engines to make up for
initial spending on research and development and to lower high per-unit
production costs.
Toyota is aiming to sell 1 million hybrid vehicles annually some time in
the decade beginning in 2010.
Since rolling out the world's first gasoline-electric hybrid car in 1997,
Toyota has improved the powertrain with a second-generation system it
calls THS II, which powers the remodeled Prius and Lexus RX 400h SUV,
among others.
But the hybrid system, which allows vehicles to run on an electric motor
under certain driving conditions to save fuel, still costs
manufacturers -- and consumers -- a premium of thousands of dollars over
regular cars.
By making the system smaller, Toyota aims to slash the premium by half and
expand its use to most of its mid-sized or larger cars, the newspaper
said, without citing sources.
Toyota executives have said they aimed to eventually make the powertrain
available across its entire product line-up.
Toyota has been pouring r&d resources into addressing the cost issue, but
a spokeswoman said a target date for a third generation hybrid system had
not been set.
"2008 is certainly a possibility, but we don't know that yet," she said.
Toyota expects to build and sell about 250,000 hybrid vehicles this year
through its eight model offerings.
Next year, that will rise to between 350,000 and 400,000 units, boosted by
the addition of the Camry hybrid to be built in Kentucky from the latter
half of 2006, and the China-built Prius, production of which has been
targeted to begin by this year.
The newspaper said Toyota would begin making key components for the hybrid
systems in the United States -- the first time this manufacturing would be
done outside Japan -- in line with the automaker's stated aim to
eventually procure such parts locally.
Led by Toyota's aggressive push, sales of hybrid vehicles have risen
sharply over the past few years, particularly in the United States and
Europe, but automakers have yet to agree on a de facto powertrain for
saving fuel.
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Art
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:23 am Post subject:
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"D.D. Pallmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The end of GM, if it doesn't die in the meantime.
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GM has a plan. Instead of improving their current models they will spend
$10 billion on a new platform code name Zebra.
Unfortunately the platform will sell well short of its goals because the
first units had alternators which failed withing 200 miles. |
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Mike Hunter
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject:
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Great news, Ford is upping its hydride production as well and so is GM. I
hope more people switch to hybrids. If they do it will leave more gasoline
available for those of us that prefer to drive sporty, larger, safer and
more powerful V8 power vehicles. The only problem I see is OPEC will raise
the price of crude to maintain their current profit levels ;)
mike hunt
"Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:161120051911572513%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...
| Quote: | In article <YMOef.9344$2y.768@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, C. E.
White <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
Reuters / November 16, 2005
TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp. will begin using a cheaper and smaller hybrid
system from 2008, more than doubling production of the fuel-sipping
vehicles
by then to 600,000 units a year, the Asahi newspaper reported on
Wednesday.
Thank you.
My Avalon from Georgetown is an excellent and trouble-free car, so I'm
comfortable with Toyota's building future hybrids here. I'm aware that
others will disagree. I speak for myself.
I think I'll wait for testimonials before buying a future Prius built
in China.
Brent |
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Dan J.S.
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject:
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Great news, Ford is upping its hydride production as well and so is GM. I
hope more people switch to hybrids. If they do it will leave more
gasoline available for those of us that prefer to drive sporty, larger,
safer and more powerful V8 power vehicles. The only problem I see is OPEC
will raise the price of crude to maintain their current profit levels ;)
mike hunt
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If demand is lowered, prices will fall. |
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Mike Hunter
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:
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Not in and ever growing market where OPEC has the lowest basic production
costs, that enables them to control world production minimums to create
demand any time the price falls too low. You will never again see $15 a
barrel crude.
mike hunt
"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:twWdnUryJoeABuHeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Great news, Ford is upping its hydride production as well and so is GM.
I hope more people switch to hybrids. If they do it will leave more
gasoline available for those of us that prefer to drive sporty, larger,
safer and more powerful V8 power vehicles. The only problem I see is
OPEC will raise the price of crude to maintain their current profit
levels ;)
mike hunt
If demand is lowered, prices will fall.
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Dan J.S.
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Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Not in and ever growing market where OPEC has the lowest basic production
costs, that enables them to control world production minimums to create
demand any time the price falls too low. You will never again see $15 a
barrel crude.
mike hunt
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You wont see $15, I agree, but you will see $25 very soon. |
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Brent Secombe
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:31 am Post subject:
Re: Toyota to use new hybrid system in 2008, report says |
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In article <11nru1fol8eph56@news.supernews.com>, Dan J.S.
<me@hyperx.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:oFidnRU65Zg7XuHeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Not in and ever growing market where OPEC has the lowest basic production
costs, that enables them to control world production minimums to create
demand any time the price falls too low. You will never again see $15 a
barrel crude.
mike hunt
You wont see $15, I agree, but you will see $25 very soon.
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Careful, guys... I'm saving these. <Hehe>
Brent |
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Dan J.S.
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject:
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"Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:181120051531088570%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...
| Quote: | In article <11nru1fol8eph56@news.supernews.com>, Dan J.S.
me@hyperx.com> wrote:
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:oFidnRU65Zg7XuHeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Not in and ever growing market where OPEC has the lowest basic
production
costs, that enables them to control world production minimums to create
demand any time the price falls too low. You will never again see $15
a
barrel crude.
mike hunt
You wont see $15, I agree, but you will see $25 very soon.
Careful, guys... I'm saving these. <Hehe
Brent
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The reason I am confident it will be $25 is because at $30 shell oil (where
billions of gallons of it are up in Canada mixed in with sand) becomes
profitable. Just look what is happening with that industry. |
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Mark
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject:
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First of all, I think it's called "Shale Oil", not shell oil, and I
believe the profitable price is somewhat higher, more like $40+ The
US has a lot of shale deposits. As I understand it, the oil in Canada
is in the form of tar sands.
http://www.energybulletin.net/7331.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/news.php?cat=59 |
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Dan J.S.
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:33 am Post subject:
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"Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Damn spell checker... :) |
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Bruce L. Bergman
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:33:06 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Damn spell checker... :)
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You can't just let the Spledding Chucker run automagically, you have
to approve or reject all corrections. It will often reject correctly
spelled proper names or odd terms - not because they're spelled wrong,
they just aren't in the program's dictionary.
--<< Bruce >>--
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Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net. |
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st-bum
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:55 am Post subject:
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Tar sands in Canada aren't a given. They require a lot of investment;
you have to heat up the dirt and drain the oil out. It's energy
intensive and not easy. IT's also hell on the environment.
Oil "shale" is not really oil at all. It won't be profitable at any
level. You have to put so much energy into it to get the tiny amount
of energy out that it's pointless.
Gas to liquids technology will take stranded natural gas and convert it
to high grade oil. But this too requires investment and is no quick
fix for rapidly depleting oil fields in the West. |
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Gord Beaman
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:17 am Post subject:
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"st-bum" <kennykabuki@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Oil "shale" is not really oil at all.
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Of course not but the oil 'held' in the shale is.
| Quote: | It won't be profitable at any level.
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Bullpoopie...why do you suppose they're sinking billions of
dollars into it?
| Quote: | You have to put so much energy into it to get the tiny amount
of energy out that it's pointless.
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This is a completely misleading statement...just look at Alberta
Canada...apparently the Gov't there is making a gift of some
amount to every citizen living there this year because of their
profits from their 'tar sands'...pointless?, I don't think so...
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email) |
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