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Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:40 am Post subject:
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I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
thanks
Hal
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TeGGeR®
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:02 am Post subject:
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hal@nospam.com wrote in news:6qhkn1tn65cuqoq7cc5s8oh20bao2srmuu@4ax.com:
| Quote: | I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
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A local wreckers will have scads of these, most brand-new, and available
very cheap.
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Ray O
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:31 am Post subject:
Re: Finding a temporary spare for my Sienna |
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<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
thanks
Hal
Toyota dealers sell a kit to mount a temporary spare for the Sienna. |
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Ray O
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C. E. White
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:24 am Post subject:
Re: Finding a temporary spare for my Sienna |
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<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
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I believe you should be careful in your choice of a temporary spare to use
with the Sienna AWD system. The difference in the circumference of a
temporary spare tire compared to the other tires may cause false activation
of the AWD system, trouble with the stability control, problems with the
tire pressure monitoring system, and might lead to handling or durability
problems. I have an AWD Saturn Vue and it has a temporary spare that has the
same circumference as the standard tires. However, as a result it requires a
relatively large storage space.
The Sienna's P225/60R17 tires have a 27.63" diameter (86.6" circumference).
To match this, you are going to need to find a temporary tire like a
T150/90R17 or T135/90R18. Unfortunately, I can't find one that size. My Vue
(AWD) uses a T155/90R-16 spare. This has a diameter of around 17" - still
too small in my opinion. And even if you could find a temporary spare of the
correct dimensions, what are the chances it would be mounted on a wheel that
is compatible with your Sienna's bolt pattern and brake size? It seems like
the best idea is to just get a full size spare - or not worry about a spare
at all. When was the last time you actually needed a spare? I have not
mounted a spare in anger in at least 9 years.
Ed |
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C. E. White
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:29 am Post subject:
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
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hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
thanks
Hal
Toyota dealers sell a kit to mount a temporary spare for the Sienna.
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But isn't the "temporary spare" a full size tire in this case?
Ed |
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Bruce L. Bergman
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:06 am Post subject:
Re: Finding a temporary spare for my Sienna |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:40:43 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:
| Quote: | I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
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It will be much easier to just get another standard rim that fits
your car, and a matching standard tire for the spare, fasten it down
in the back, and put it in 5-tire rotation with the other standard
tires on your car.
And use the same size snow tires, so the standard spare can sub for
an hour till you get the flat snow tire fixed or replaced.
With the AWD you have to use the same rolling diameter tires all
around (within an inch or two) and that will be tough to match with a
temporary spare - you would have to let the temporary spare size
dictate the regular tire size, and that's bas-ackward.
And what, you save two or three pounds between carrying a temporary
spare and rim and a regular one - not enough to worry about.
Run-flats are a great idea, no heavy spare to cart around - until
you have one of those "great" tires come totally apart on you 100
miles from anywhere, and you have no spare. (And ALL tires can throw
their tread or otherwise blow beyond saving, or even driving on at 5
MPH.) Then you'll have plenty of time to sit and think up lots of
lovely curse words for the brilliant engineer who thought THAT one
up...
Give me a spare tire every time - with air in it, and a jack and lug
wrench that works, too, while you are at it. I've been bitten by
Murphy's Law many times, and I have learned not to taunt fate...
--<< Bruce >>--
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Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
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Ray O
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:17 am Post subject:
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hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
thanks
Hal
Toyota dealers sell a kit to mount a temporary spare for the Sienna.
But isn't the "temporary spare" a full size tire in this case?
Ed
I don't know. Toyota's web site lists a dealer-installed temporary spare as |
an option on AWD models but doesn't specify temporary spare size.
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Art
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject:
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My understanding is that the run flats cost $500 per tire to replace. $2000
for 4 tires? They got to be nuts.
<hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
thanks
Hal
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Art
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Finding a temporary spare for my Sienna |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
I believe you should be careful in your choice of a temporary spare to use
with the Sienna AWD system. The difference in the circumference of a
temporary spare tire compared to the other tires may cause false
activation of the AWD system, trouble with the stability control, problems
with the tire pressure monitoring system, and might lead to handling or
durability problems. I have an AWD Saturn Vue and it has a temporary spare
that has the same circumference as the standard tires. However, as a
result it requires a relatively large storage space.
The Sienna's P225/60R17 tires have a 27.63" diameter (86.6"
circumference). To match this, you are going to need to find a temporary
tire like a T150/90R17 or T135/90R18. Unfortunately, I can't find one that
size. My Vue (AWD) uses a T155/90R-16 spare. This has a diameter of around
17" - still too small in my opinion. And even if you could find a
temporary spare of the correct dimensions, what are the chances it would
be mounted on a wheel that is compatible with your Sienna's bolt pattern
and brake size? It seems like the best idea is to just get a full size
spare - or not worry about a spare at all. When was the last time you
actually needed a spare? I have not mounted a spare in anger in at least 9
years.
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BUT IF you don't have a spare, you will definitely need one. That is how
life works.
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Ed White
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject:
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A few weeks back I pulled the spare out from under my '92 F150. It was
the original Firestone that came with the truck. It had zero air in the
tire, so even if I had needed it, it wouldn't have helped. I usually
check the pressure in my "temporarey spares about twice a year. They
are always low. Instead of worrying about the spare, I carry a small,
cheap 12V compressor in my cars. If a tire starts to go flat, pumping
it up with the compressor is usually enough to get me to a place I can
get the tire fixed.
Ed |
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Art
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:36 am Post subject:
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I keep a $20 compressor too and have used it several times but they only
work on slow leaks. They may or may not work on a truely empty spare.
"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | A few weeks back I pulled the spare out from under my '92 F150. It was
the original Firestone that came with the truck. It had zero air in the
tire, so even if I had needed it, it wouldn't have helped. I usually
check the pressure in my "temporarey spares about twice a year. They
are always low. Instead of worrying about the spare, I carry a small,
cheap 12V compressor in my cars. If a tire starts to go flat, pumping
it up with the compressor is usually enough to get me to a place I can
get the tire fixed.
Ed
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David J
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:6qhkn1tn65cuqoq7cc5s8oh20bao2srmuu@4ax.com...
I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
thanks
Hal
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:27:15 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | My understanding is that the run flats cost $500 per tire to replace. $2000
for 4 tires? They got to be nuts.
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Whats the problem with runflats Hal? Cost of replacement, or the
mileage?
30k miles for an AWD seems pretty good to me...
David |
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Ed White
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject:
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Only 30K? It has been years since I got less than 30K from a set of
tires. I just replaced the OE Bridgestones that came on my AWD Vue at
around 37,000. The tires had decent tread left, but one had a puncture.
The cost of repairing the tire, plus a routine rotate and balance
pushed me in to a new set of tires (I found a good deal on the weird
size the Vue uses). Even the "performance" tires on my old Mustang
easily made it past 34K miles (and again, I replaced them becasue of a
puncture, not a lack of tread, on tread depth alone, I am sure they
would have made it to 40,000). Tires just seem to last forever these
days - or at least the tread. Lately I repace them for other reason
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Gringo
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Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:02 am Post subject:
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Blackwall
SR Speed Rated
Price: $55.00 each
Wheel:
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:31 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:58:18 +0000, David J <david@btelecom.invalid>
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hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I love the Sienna AWD, but hate the run flats. Barely 30k miles and
almost no tread, and I don't trust the things for out of town trips.
I need snow tires but don't want any more run flats. Finding decent
tires to fit is not a problem, but I can't locate a temporary spare.
I do not really want a spare at all in the back, but if I must a temp
would be much easier to move around. Can I order these from
Toyota?
thanks
Hal
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:27:15 GMT, "Art"
begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
My understanding is that the run flats cost $500 per tire to replace. $2000
for 4 tires? They got to be nuts.
Whats the problem with runflats Hal? Cost of replacement, or the
mileage?
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Cost of replacement and reliability. I live in a rural area and don't
trust them. Heard too many reports of sidewall blowouts or large
embedded objects which make the tire unusable and resulted in a
stranded vehicle. Give me a good old fashioned spare any day.
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30k miles for an AWD seems pretty good to me...
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not really.
Hal
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