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Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:21 am Post subject:
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I have a low mileage 2001. My dipstick is always looking like relatively
clean oil and it makes me feel that there is something in the design of the
engine that prevents the oil from doing its job and suspending oil
impurities. Just my opinion. Oil is SUPPOSED to get dirty.
"Steve Henderson" <shenderson_2@charter.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I know everyone is probably sick and tired of the infamous toyota sludge
discussion, but hey, I just looked under the oil filler cap on my avalon
(02), and it's crusty black (not gel-like at all). I get the oil changed
between 3,000 and 4,000 miles with Durablend (the middle grade) down at the
local Valvoline oilchange place. Since I don't change it, I'd never looked
under the oil change cap. Can't really see much - it seems to be a
deflector shield right under the cap so you can't see any workings - except
that crusty black coating right where you would pour the oil. This is the
3.0 V6, 2002 Avalon XLS. It sure doesn't seem like this would be described
as "sludge", but one never knows. I have about 50,000 miles on it. The oil
on the dip-stick is (as always) a nice honey-colored amber, and ther's no
smoke, and it's never used a drop of oil (I know I said I don't change it,
but I DO check it).
So,
1) I'd like to see a site of photos of what I would be looking at if it IS
sludge, and
2) does anyone have the range of VIN numbers that Toyota covers for this
car?
(I still love the car, even if it IS sludge <grin>)
Steve Henderson |
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Ray O
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:17 am Post subject:
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have a low mileage 2001. My dipstick is always looking like relatively
clean oil and it makes me feel that there is something in the design of the
engine that prevents the oil from doing its job and suspending oil
impurities. Just my opinion. Oil is SUPPOSED to get dirty.
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The oil is not supposed to get dirty. If it was supposed to get dirty, why
would manufacturers install oil filters? The oil filter's job is to filter
particulates in the oil. Oil does naturally get dirty from stuff that is
too fine for the filter to trap. Don't worry about clean oil.
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Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply
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"Steve Henderson" <shenderson_2@charter.net> wrote in message
news:ehcef.24314$7s1.6528@fe04.lga...
I know everyone is probably sick and tired of the infamous toyota sludge
discussion, but hey, I just looked under the oil filler cap on my avalon
(02), and it's crusty black (not gel-like at all). I get the oil changed
between 3,000 and 4,000 miles with Durablend (the middle grade) down at
the local Valvoline oilchange place. Since I don't change it, I'd never
looked under the oil change cap. Can't really see much - it seems to be a
deflector shield right under the cap so you can't see any workings -
except that crusty black coating right where you would pour the oil. This
is the 3.0 V6, 2002 Avalon XLS. It sure doesn't seem like this would be
described as "sludge", but one never knows. I have about 50,000 miles on
it. The oil on the dip-stick is (as always) a nice honey-colored amber,
and ther's no smoke, and it's never used a drop of oil (I know I said I
don't change it, but I DO check it).
So,
1) I'd like to see a site of photos of what I would be looking at if it
IS sludge, and
2) does anyone have the range of VIN numbers that Toyota covers for this
car?
(I still love the car, even if it IS sludge <grin>)
Steve Henderson
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Art
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:50 am Post subject:
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I have a low mileage 2001. My dipstick is always looking like relatively
clean oil and it makes me feel that there is something in the design of
the engine that prevents the oil from doing its job and suspending oil
impurities. Just my opinion. Oil is SUPPOSED to get dirty.
The oil is not supposed to get dirty. If it was supposed to get dirty,
why would manufacturers install oil filters? The oil filter's job is to
filter particulates in the oil. Oil does naturally get dirty from stuff
that is too fine for the filter to trap. Don't worry about clean oil.
But the oil is not picking up any find stuff and turning dark at the dip |
stick? Where are the fines ending up?
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.dbu.
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:46 am Post subject:
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In article <Bk5gf.918$aA2.647@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:V2Kff.10448$2y.4823@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
I have a low mileage 2001. My dipstick is always looking like relatively
clean oil and it makes me feel that there is something in the design of
the engine that prevents the oil from doing its job and suspending oil
impurities. Just my opinion. Oil is SUPPOSED to get dirty.
The oil is not supposed to get dirty. If it was supposed to get dirty,
why would manufacturers install oil filters? The oil filter's job is to
filter particulates in the oil. Oil does naturally get dirty from stuff
that is too fine for the filter to trap. Don't worry about clean oil.
But the oil is not picking up any find stuff and turning dark at the dip
stick? Where are the fines ending up?
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on the magnetic plug. we need a chip detector like on airplanes.
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Ray O
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:18 am Post subject:
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:V2Kff.10448$2y.4823@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
I have a low mileage 2001. My dipstick is always looking like relatively
clean oil and it makes me feel that there is something in the design of
the engine that prevents the oil from doing its job and suspending oil
impurities. Just my opinion. Oil is SUPPOSED to get dirty.
The oil is not supposed to get dirty. If it was supposed to get dirty,
why would manufacturers install oil filters? The oil filter's job is to
filter particulates in the oil. Oil does naturally get dirty from stuff
that is too fine for the filter to trap. Don't worry about clean oil.
But the oil is not picking up any find stuff and turning dark at the dip
stick? Where are the fines ending up?
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An engine that produces enough fines to be visible in the oil between oil
changes will not last very long because to be visible in the oil, the oil
filter has to be completely clogged and the oil is bypassing the filter
media. Fines are shiny, not black. Oil can get darker over time from
combustion by-products but with today's clean-burning engines, the oil does
not get dark as quickly as it used to.
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Ray O
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:08 am Post subject:
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Steve, I guess all is in the eye of the beholder. Those who have had
the sludge build up in their engines are indeed "sick and tired of the
infamous Toyota sludge," but they are SICKENED by Toyota's lack of
response! You see, after all this time and the public promise to take
care of this matter for its customers, Toyota is NOT honoring the CSP.
Just take a look at the petition at
http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html to see what I mean!
Apparently, there are a whole lot of Toyota owners who are still VERY
angry with Toyota and its outrageous customer service....translated
MISTREATMENT!
Charlene Blake
cblake@erols.com
Toyota Owners Unite for Resolution: Engine Oil Sludge
See a Toyota owner's "Toyota Owners Unite for Resolution" website where
lots of pictures and information is located. The moderator owned a
lemon Camry which Toyota refused to properly fix.
Steve Henderson wrote:
| Quote: | I know everyone is probably sick and tired of the infamous toyota sludge
discussion, but hey, I just looked under the oil filler cap on my
avalon (02), and it's crusty black (not gel-like at all). I get the oil
changed between 3,000 and 4,000 miles with Durablend (the middle grade)
down at the local Valvoline oilchange place. Since I don't change it,
I'd never looked under the oil change cap. Can't really see much - it
seems to be a deflector shield right under the cap so you can't see any
workings - except that crusty black coating right where you would pour
the oil. This is the 3.0 V6, 2002 Avalon XLS. It sure doesn't seem like
this would be described as "sludge", but one never knows. I have about
50,000 miles on it. The oil on the dip-stick is (as always) a nice
honey-colored amber, and ther's no smoke, and it's never used a drop of
oil (I know I said I don't change it, but I DO check it).
So,
1) I'd like to see a site of photos of what I would be looking at if it
IS sludge, and
2) does anyone have the range of VIN numbers that Toyota covers for this
car?
(I still love the car, even if it IS sludge <grin>)
Steve Henderson |
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