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[Floyd Rogers]

"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote

[Floyd Rogers]

"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote

[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
: "Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote
:> : Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one done
:> by
:> : Texas A&M, which has shown Seattle in the top 5 for many years:
:> : http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/06/20/traffic.jam/
:>
:> : Interesting how cnn has competing articles!
:>
:> The years are different... the story your quoting is older...
:>
:> The AAA article I quoted is 2005... not from 3 years ago...
:>
:> "AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots

: Different methodology. If you can find 5 years of AAA or other articles,
: fine. You *CAN* find 5 years of the A&M articles, and Seattle
: is consistentently in the top 10. Things just don't go from 4th
: to off the top-10 in one year.

Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area with
a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2 million?

Just within the city limits of Chicago is 1% of the entire U.S. population,
Seattle has less than 600k people...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago
Population Density 4923/km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle
Population Density 2638/km

Nearly double the density and unfortunately... everyone has a car :-(

And... it's supposed to snow tonite... (it was still freezing rain as I
drove my 944 home)
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[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Floyd Rogers wrote:
:> "Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote
:>
:>> : Although those are nice, the most authoritative study is the one
:>> done by
:>> : Texas A&M, which has shown Seattle in the top 5 for many years:
:>> : http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/06/20/traffic.jam/
:>>
:>> : Interesting how cnn has competing articles!
:>>
:>> The years are different... the story your quoting is older...
:>>
:>> The AAA article I quoted is 2005... not from 3 years ago...
:>>
:>> "AAA Cites Some Of Nations Worst Commuter Hot Spots
:>
:>
:> Different methodology. If you can find 5 years of AAA or other articles,
:> fine. You *CAN* find 5 years of the A&M articles, and Seattle
:> is consistentently in the top 10. Things just don't go from 4th
:> to off the top-10 in one year.
:>
:> FloydR


: Traffic truly sucks here. No joke. You can monitor it here:

: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle/

: Take 405 north to Bellevue in morning rush hour and you'll know
: commuting hell. ~Even~ in the carpool lane. And whoever built most of
: our interchanges was a sadist. That bastard.

You have enough lanes for carpool lanes? The Dan Ryan expressway is 14
lanes wide... and I've been on it where the traffic was stopped for so
long that kids were playing frisbee... true story... (it has portapottys
on the shoulder at places so you can "go" when your stuck in traffic).

We are on that RFG gas... one of the side effects they say are that it dries
out the rubber in fuel lines and causes them to crack or swell... leaks...
Car-B-Ques are a huge pain during rushhour... I see you are on something
called 7.8RVP.. not sure if that causes similar issues...

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[The Dead Senator]

Floyd Rogers wrote:

[Floyd Rogers]

"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote

[Devils944S2]

Hey Dead...it's too bad you never got to drive the S2. Quite an impressive
automobile. The new owner just loves it. I finally get to stay home and
would be able to meet up with you, but the price of staying home was the
car...
My commute is right in the teeth of that 405 traffic you mentioned. My job
is in Woodinville. Sure glad I got rid of that house 10 minutes away in
Snohomish...
Monday mornings take me a little over 2 hours to get there. The ride home is
much better...slow but moving. I am searching for a carpool now to at least
get use of the carpool lane for where it does move. Right now we are looking
at Issaquah and Redmond for houses. There are some reasonable properties
left up there...if not Bothell or Mill Creek may be our destination in a
year or so.

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[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:
: "Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote
:> In alt.autos.porsche Floyd Rogers <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote:

:> Can *YOU* show me a 2005 article that says the Seattle metropolitan area
:> with
:> a population of 3.8 million has as much traffic as Chicago areas 9.2
:> million?

: See, that's one thing wrong with your believing those articles. I *CANNOT*
: show you a 2005 study, because, guess what, 2005 isn't over, and
: peer-reviewed
: scientifically-valid studies (like the Texas A&M one) aren't cherry-picked
: over a portion of a year, a particular area, etc., and take a year or more
: to be prepared and peer-reviewed.

Well.. the point is... your article published in 2002 is based on 2001 or
earlier data... the articles from 2005 are published with earlier data too,
but later than what you've quoted... so your question of how can CNN have
2 different stories on their website... it's easy... just look at the years
that are embedded in the URLs or at the top of the stories... you knew your
data was older from the start, yet you posted it to counter newer data.

: I have driven in Chicago, and agree that it's traffic is nasty. At least
: some
: of the people are, too, IME. But we have nasty traffic and people, too.
: A higher percentage on the roads, possibly, as we have *proportionally*
: less mass transit, so the yahoos with junkers and a bad attitude are on
: the roads rather than on the L.

Eh... I don't buy it... a town (yes a town) of 600k can't compete with the
traffic woes of cities like New York, Los Angeles or Chicago... sure we have
the L, but the traffic pattern isn't like it used to be with everyone working
in the loop... the burb roads are as bad as the Kennedy now, except the
Kennedy is still as bad as ever...

But... it's quite easy to drive a stick shift car daily in those environments,
even in the snowy envirnments of New York or Chicago...

So... are there more comfortable cars out there to commute in... sure, but
don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort ;-)

It's ok... but accept responsibility instead of blaming the car or the city...

;-)

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[Mike]

Congratulations on the new job and the new commuter car! The 944S2 is a
great drivers car and the BMW also has good qualities.

Mike


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[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

In alt.autos.porsche Devils944S2 <devils944@nospam.net> wrote:
: <don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort
: ;-)>

: OK John you caught me...I gave up a car that I coveted for 10 years,
: traveled 2500 miles to buy, loved as much as life itself, just to buy a mass
: produced German sedan to be comfortable in...


You know... we bought a ford focus for my daughter to drive and my wife and
i were using it to go someplace the other day and my wife said to me "Why
don't you trade in your car for a real car like this?".

It's easy to be seduced by comfort... but I don't think a focus can take
the ramp between i-294 and i-290 at 60mph (dry days only)... although the
focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship...

Enjoy your beamer... :-)
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[Devils944S2]

<don't blame it on the commute, just admit your a wuss that went for comfort
;-)>

OK John you caught me...I gave up a car that I coveted for 10 years,
traveled 2500 miles to buy, loved as much as life itself, just to buy a mass
produced German sedan to be comfortable in...

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[The Dead Senator]

Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

[Devils944S2]

OK I will throw a wrench in the works...I was brought up in upstate NY,
where Bimmers were people that worked at IBM.

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[Chicago Paddling-Fishing]

In alt.autos.porsche The Dead Senator <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
:>
:> focus has done respectably in the world ralley championship...
:>
:> Enjoy your beamer... :-)

: Ummm...okay, I'll say it: that's Bimmer. Beamers are the cycles.

I had to go look it up... it appears Beemer can be used for both, but Bimmer
is for cars only... why? I have no idea... anyway, I mispelled it either way.

http://www.boston-bmwcca.org/reference/Bimmer-Beemer.aspx says;
"... A Very Highly Placed BMW Spokesperson sent me the following (reproduced
here with permission).

While I can't point to any official document that supports this, my
understanding of the origins are as follows.

The term Beemer was first used with motorcycles. Back when British bikes
dominated the market and BSA was a well-known marque, riders referred to
them as Beezers -- a way to say the letters BSA as if it were a word.

BMW riders said Beemer as a way of saying BMW as a word. This was long
before the popularity of BMW cars, so whenever the term Beemer was spoken,
it referred to the motorcycle. In theory, one could apply Beemer to either
cars or bikes since it is only a reference to the name BMW. In fact some
folks do call BMW cars Beemers.

When the cars became popular, many people referred to them as Bimmers as
well as Beemers. I don't know why this was adopted instead of simply using
the existing Beemers.

But generally speaking, one calls the bikes Beemers and the cars Bimmers.
While it would be ok to refer to a car as a Beemer, it doesn't seem
appropriate to refer to a bike as a Bimmer. ..."

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[Devils944S2]

<You have wussed out. Just put in 5w30 and put the snow tires on my '44.
It's good for all conditions.>

<Did you consider keeping the P-car and commuting in an older Suzuki
Swift? :p>

I guess that's what you get for not reading the whole thread...Is your 944
an S2 Cabriolet? Does it have the heavy duty clutch like mine had? If I had
my old 1984 N/A maybe, but, my 40 mile, 2.5 hour commute was painful in the
S2. If you do the average, you will see I crawl to work at around 15MPH.
Yes, of course I thought of getting a commuter car...which of course I would
have to insure (Washington is friggin expensive) at the same liability
levels as my 944 and Explorer, so now I could eat a nice $1600 every 6
months insurance bill. Actually, me and the Mrs. are looking north to
Issaquah and Redmond for a place, then maybe down the road I can get another
cab.

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