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Floyd Rogers
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | Thanks for reminding us that we pay higher prices for oil (and petrol).
As if we neede reminding...
Petrol I can understand (taxes) but oil? I was not aware that there is a
special 'luxury tax' on oil in the UK. Maybe there is....
"Floyd Rogers" <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote
Sad. Mobil 1 at Costco in the US is about $4.5 per quart. About 1/3
that price...
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I don't really understand this difference. I suspect it's more due to
a rip-off by the retailer rather than tax... Of course, the same oil at
one of the auto-parts retailers in the US is probably around $8 US -
tells you that there's a lot of profit in some of this stuff.
BTW, Costco is now the world's 9th biggest wine retailer (IIRC), and
their markup is around 14%. Prices for the same wines at wine shops
are half again as much for the same bottle. I understand that the
wine buyer(s) for Costco are treated as royalty when they tour wineries
in Europe (and other parts of the world, too.)
Hooray for discounters.
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Malt_Hound
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
| Quote: | I don't get this. In the UK Mobil 1 is hardly scarce, nor is any fully
synthetic oil.
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Unless the stuff you are getting with Mobil1 labels on it is different
than ours, you may rest assured it is fully synthetic.
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Malt_Hound
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:17 pm Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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Floyd Rogers wrote:
| Quote: | "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote
Thanks for reminding us that we pay higher prices for oil (and petrol).
As if we neede reminding...
Petrol I can understand (taxes) but oil? I was not aware that there
is a special 'luxury tax' on oil in the UK. Maybe there is....
"Floyd Rogers" <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote
Sad. Mobil 1 at Costco in the US is about $4.5 per quart. About 1/3
that price...
I don't really understand this difference. I suspect it's more due to
a rip-off by the retailer rather than tax...
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Rip off. Supply and demand. Transportation costs. Someone is making
some extra profit.
| Quote: | Of course, the same oil at
one of the auto-parts retailers in the US is probably around $8 US -
tells you that there's a lot of profit in some of this stuff.
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No, not that much. 5 dollars and change is more like it. I don't know
anyone that would buy Mobil 1 for 8 bucks a qt. The discount on Mobil1
is not as deep as some other things you can find at Walmart / Costco.
There is probably some discount limits placed on the deal by Mobil Oil.
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BTW, Costco is now the world's 9th biggest wine retailer (IIRC), and
their markup is around 14%. Prices for the same wines at wine shops
are half again as much for the same bottle. I understand that the
wine buyer(s) for Costco are treated as royalty when they tour wineries
in Europe (and other parts of the world, too.)
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Volume speaks, erm... volumes. ;-)
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Hooray for discounters.
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Free market at its best.
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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I meant any OTHER synthetic oil. Sweigelburger was implying he might find
it difficult to get Mobil 1 or any synthetic oil on a Sunday.
Even if he was in a remote location I would be surprised it would be harder
to get than non-synthetic.
DAS
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| Quote: | Unless the stuff you are getting with Mobil1 labels on it is different
than ours, you may rest assured it is fully synthetic.
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:31 am Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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And the quality may fall or there will not be any special ones. Good wine
of a particular vintage is just not made in such quantities to satisfy the
needs of discounters or any supermarket chain. Thus it is, e.g., advisable
to be very careful about buying fresh meat from a large chain instead of a
good butcher. The value for money at a supermarket may, in fact, be lower.
So, I suggest that
| Quote: | "Hooray for discounters.
Free market at its best."
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does not always yield the results you think.
Here is another example: grapes. Grapes.
Most grapes sold by the main UK supermarket chains are grown in South
Africa. Thanks to the policies of Tesco, Sainsbury et al, dozens of growers
are being squeezed out of business. Some of these supermarkets don't even
tell the supplier the price until the stuff is on the shelves and the
selling price established.
The growers supplying Marks & Spencer and Waitrose -- smaller chains with a
different philosophy and higher prices -- are doing quite well and supplying
good quality.
The free market at its best?
Or bananas. The EU has been preferentially importing bananas from certain
parts of the Caribbean (ex-French and British colonies), partly as a way to
help them economically, but the USA has been applying pressure to permit
better terms for Latin American bananas. Great, you might think. But who
are the main suppliers from there? Companies like Del Monte, who are not
famous for paying decent prices for bananas. Screwing the workers is ok?
Hooray for discounters?
DAS
For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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"Malt_Hound" <""Malt_Hound\"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Floyd Rogers wrote:
[...]
BTW, Costco is now the world's 9th biggest wine retailer (IIRC), and
their markup is around 14%. Prices for the same wines at wine shops
are half again as much for the same bottle. I understand that the
wine buyer(s) for Costco are treated as royalty when they tour wineries
in Europe (and other parts of the world, too.)
Volume speaks, erm... volumes. ;-)
Hooray for discounters.
Free market at its best.
FloydR
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Malt_Hound
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:07 am Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
| Quote: | And the quality may fall or there will not be any special ones. Good wine
of a particular vintage is just not made in such quantities to satisfy the
needs of discounters or any supermarket chain. Thus it is, e.g., advisable
to be very careful about buying fresh meat from a large chain instead of a
good butcher. The value for money at a supermarket may, in fact, be lower.
So, I suggest that
"Hooray for discounters.
Free market at its best."
does not always yield the results you think.
Here is another example: grapes. Grapes.
Most grapes sold by the main UK supermarket chains are grown in South
Africa. Thanks to the policies of Tesco, Sainsbury et al, dozens of growers
are being squeezed out of business. Some of these supermarkets don't even
tell the supplier the price until the stuff is on the shelves and the
selling price established.
The growers supplying Marks & Spencer and Waitrose -- smaller chains with a
different philosophy and higher prices -- are doing quite well and supplying
good quality.
The free market at its best?
Or bananas. The EU has been preferentially importing bananas from certain
parts of the Caribbean (ex-French and British colonies), partly as a way to
help them economically, but the USA has been applying pressure to permit
better terms for Latin American bananas. Great, you might think. But who
are the main suppliers from there? Companies like Del Monte, who are not
famous for paying decent prices for bananas. Screwing the workers is ok?
Hooray for discounters?
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Though your reply was to my post, I was only saying that (Free Market at
it's best) directly in response to the particular case of low priced
Mobil 1 oil at the discounters. In regard to many (most) other things,
I am rather opposed to the leverage applied to suppliers by the big box
stores. I generally do not do business with Walmart or Home Depot for
that very reason.
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Mike G
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bP2dnV20totkOvLeRVnytQ@pipex.net...
| Quote: | I meant any OTHER synthetic oil. Sweigelburger was implying he might find
it difficult to get Mobil 1 or any synthetic oil on a Sunday.
Even if he was in a remote location I would be surprised it would be
harder
to get than non-synthetic.
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Many UK service stations only have small shops attached, and usually only
carry a small range of the most popular oils. Fully synthetic oils,
especially Mobil 1 which is expensive, and not widely used, is therefore
often not available off the shelf on a Sunday when the main service counter
is closed.
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pltrgyst
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:13 am Post subject:
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No, it doesn't "bugger up" anything. It means you won't get the full benefit of
synthetic's durability, but the mix is still more robust than straight dino oil.
One would assume that after an episode such as the OP describes, he'd be heading
for an oil change sooner than usual anyway.
-- Larry
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:22:37 -0000, "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk>
wrote:
| Quote: | There is. Buggers up the properties of synthetic but, I agree, mixing won't
cause any engine damage.
DAS
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In a pinch, just add any old automotive oil. There is no problem caused by
mixing dino and synthetics.
-- Larry
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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What would we city folk know about the Spartan realities of olde rural
Englande...?
DAS
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Many UK service stations only have small shops attached, and usually only
carry a small range of the most popular oils. Fully synthetic oils,
especially Mobil 1 which is expensive, and not widely used, is therefore
often not available off the shelf on a Sunday when the main service
counter
is closed.
Mike.
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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Ok, "buggering up" is too strong a term, and I did qualify it. The fact
remains that the synthetic's properties are degraded.
DAS
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"pltrgyst" <pltrgyst@spamlessxhost.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | No, it doesn't "bugger up" anything. It means you won't get the full
benefit of
synthetic's durability, but the mix is still more robust than straight
dino oil.
One would assume that after an episode such as the OP describes, he'd be
heading
for an oil change sooner than usual anyway.
-- Larry
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:22:37 -0000, "Dori A Schmetterling"
ng@nospam.co.uk
wrote:
There is. Buggers up the properties of synthetic but, I agree, mixing
won't
cause any engine damage.
DAS
For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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"pltrgyst" <pltrgyst@spamlessxhost.org> wrote in message
news:tlnsm1l1n0upd0jgefcd22q5gmn02i4hst@4ax.com...
In a pinch, just add any old automotive oil. There is no problem caused
by
mixing dino and synthetics.
-- Larry
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Huw
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:14 am Post subject:
Re: Low oil on a Sunday. |
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Ok, "buggering up" is too strong a term, and I did qualify it. The fact
remains that the synthetic's properties are degraded.
DAS
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Have you any specifics as to which properties are degraded and by what
significant amount?
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:37 am Post subject:
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My understanding is that the longevity is compromised. (One of) the point/s
of synthetic is great heat stability over a long period of time, whereas
regular oil degrades more quickly. Thus any regular oil present in
synthetic will burn up sooner, affecting the properties of the mix... Of
course, as long as that is taken into account it is no problem for an
engine, just as regular oil will work fine.
DAS
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ok, "buggering up" is too strong a term, and I did qualify it. The fact
remains that the synthetic's properties are degraded.
DAS
Have you any specifics as to which properties are degraded and by what
significant amount?
Huw
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Huw
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:53 am Post subject:
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | My understanding is that the longevity is compromised. (One of) the
point/s of synthetic is great heat stability over a long period of time,
whereas regular oil degrades more quickly. Thus any regular oil present
in synthetic will burn up sooner, affecting the properties of the mix...
Of course, as long as that is taken into account it is no problem for an
engine, just as regular oil will work fine.
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I have never seen regular oil burn up in any engine so topping up is hardly
likely to have any detectable effect.
There are many high end mineral oils that are rated for longer and heavier
duty than, for example, Mobil1 10w/30. Mind you, the 0w/40 viscosity of M1
is in a different and higher league not matched in any way by any mineral
oil and only one semi-synthetic that I know of. The viscosity is incidental
to the properties of those M1 oils. They have different chemistry and meet
different performance standards.
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:12 pm Post subject:
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Oil degradation means a reduction in lubrication capability. Synthetics
last longer, in short.
Otherwise, what is the point of a synthetic?
DAS
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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I have never seen regular oil burn up in any engine so topping up is
hardly likely to have any detectable effect.
There are many high end mineral oils that are rated for longer and heavier
duty than, for example, Mobil1 10w/30. Mind you, the 0w/40 viscosity of M1
is in a different and higher league not matched in any way by any mineral
oil and only one semi-synthetic that I know of. The viscosity is
incidental to the properties of those M1 oils. They have different
chemistry and meet different performance standards.
Huw
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