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Buildem_Good
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
American and Japanese quality |
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I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems.
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Charles @ Kankakee
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject:
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"Buildem_Good" <builder@buildem-good.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems.
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I have a Fremont-assembled 93 Corolla with 207,000 miles on it. The only
real problem I've had is the US-built alternator. Replaced it with a ND and
haven't had problems since.
Charles of Kankakee |
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badgolferman
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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Buildem_Good, 10/29/2005,2:48:18 AM, wrote:
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems.
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My 94 Camry was built in US. My 97 Camry was built in Japan. The
build quality and the materials (other than seals) of the 94 were
superior to my 97.
--
"The reason the pro tells you to keep your head down is so you can't
see him laughing." -- Phyllis Diller
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Hachiroku
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:48:18 +0000, Buildem_Good wrote:
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems.
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There is a sticker on the driver's side rear door window. It is called an
'origin' sticker and will list where the major parts came from and where
the car was assembled. The dealer will remove this sticker and throw it
away before you pick the car up.
If you're really concerned, look at the car again before the detailers get
it. It will show where the car was assembled, the percentage of parts
origin, and where the engine and transmission were made.
And, chances are, you will get one of those nasty Delphi alternators...
Delphi isn't in trouble for nothing... |
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High Tech Misfit
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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Buildem_Good wrote:
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
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You have nothing to worry about. The quality of a Toyota is the same
regardless of where it is made. Corollas have been made in Fremont, CA and
Cambridge, Ontario for years, and it is still one of the most reliable cars
around. |
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Sean Elkins
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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In article <SWE8f.234$Nd.71814@newshog.newsread.com>, "Buildem_Good"
<builder@buildem-good.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
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Don't worry about it---my wife's 95 Corolla was made at the NUMMI plant
and I don't think it's ever going to quit running. It's rolling up on 150
K miles and has been hit by 2 other cars and 4 deer. We just pound out the
dents and keep rolling. And if you knew how little maintainance it had
received before we married you would be even more inpressed. |
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NickySantoro
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:48:18 GMT, "Buildem_Good"
<builder@buildem-good.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems.
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We have a '93 USA assembled Camry bought new.
My cost for non-maintenance parts to date is about $100.
At some point we'll almost certainly replace it with another Camry
unless the quality of domestically produced Camrys has declined. |
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Dan J.S.
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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"Buildem_Good" <builder@buildem-good.com> wrote in message
news:SWE8f.234$Nd.71814@newshog.newsread.com...
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems.
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Americans can build very well. The issue with GM and Ford are cheap parts
and lack of clear leadership. |
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Truckdude
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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"Buildem_Good" <builder@buildem-good.com> wrote in message
news:SWE8f.234$Nd.71814@newshog.newsread.com...
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems.
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Have no fear. Remember that is the Toyota engineers who determine the
methods and procedures for assembly, as well as quality control. Rest
assured that those methods are idiot-proof, so that it doesn't matter who is
doing the assembly. |
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:54 am Post subject:
Re: American and Japanese quality |
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Truckdude wrote:
| Quote: | Have no fear. Remember that is the Toyota engineers who determine the
methods and procedures for assembly, as well as quality control. Rest
assured that those methods are idiot-proof, so that it doesn't matter who is
doing the assembly.
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I highly doubt that, if it was idiot proof it would probably be done by
a robot. All the none idiot proof assembly is relegated to humans.
I've been to Japan and their culture is just different, bus drivers
cleaning their buses when they have a few minutes of spare time, for
instance, is something you would just never see in the US. |
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Truckdude
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:22 am Post subject:
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<bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Truckdude wrote:
Have no fear. Remember that is the Toyota engineers who determine the
methods and procedures for assembly, as well as quality control. Rest
assured that those methods are idiot-proof, so that it doesn't matter who
is
doing the assembly.
I highly doubt that, if it was idiot proof it would probably be done by
a robot. All the none idiot proof assembly is relegated to humans.
I've been to Japan and their culture is just different, bus drivers
cleaning their buses when they have a few minutes of spare time, for
instance, is something you would just never see in the US.
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Nope, it depends on the job. You may have visited Japan, but I worked in a
Sony manufacturing facility for 13 years. I started on the assembly line,
worked as a QC inspector, and finally a maintenance technician. I concur
about the cleaning aspect. During downtime or a gap in the production flow,
housekeeping duties were mandatory. It was also an area that was rated on
annual employee reviews. |
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Art
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:47 am Post subject:
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My US built Avalon is crap. So was a friend's. On the other hand, I had 3
Japanese built Tercels and they were excellent. You should be concerned.
"Buildem_Good" <builder@buildem-good.com> wrote in message
news:SWE8f.234$Nd.71814@newshog.newsread.com...
| Quote: | I really hate to say this, but I'm a little concerned about
the quality of the new Corolla I'm buying. Tonight I learned
that the machines are assembled in Fremont, California, and
not Japan.
We have a great, INCREDIBLE country, but unfortunately we're
not particularly known for high quality automobile
manufacturing anymore. And probably because of
that, GM and Ford are teetering on bankruptcy
with huge long-term debt to equity ratios of roughly
20 to 1 I think.
Perhaps nobody builds Rockets, spacecraft, and airplanes
as good as us, but when it comes to cars, we
seem to have dropped the quality ball for some
reason. Not quite sure why.
The VIN of my 10-year-old automatic DX Tercel
starts with a "J" which someone told me means the car
was built in Japan. That car never gave me even a
moment of problems. One durable and lovable machine.
I hope I can expect the same of the Fremont-assembled
Corollas? Are the engines and parts, at least,
made by our good friends in Japan? For some reason,
they have car building down to a science.
I guess that's one reason I'm buying a Corolla instead
of say a Hyundai Elantra--although the Koreans are
catching up fast in quality it seems. |
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TenPercent
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:13 am Post subject:
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In a recent article , "Art" wrote:
| Quote: | My US built Avalon is crap. So was a friend's. On the other hand, I
had 3 Japanese built Tercels and they were excellent. You should be
concerned.
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Where was the Avalon assembled? |
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Brent Secombe
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject:
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In article <eZW8f.808$ZA3.185550@monger.newsread.com>, TenPercent
<tenpercent@not-real-address.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In a recent article , "Art" wrote:
My US built Avalon is crap. So was a friend's. On the other hand, I
had 3 Japanese built Tercels and they were excellent. You should be
concerned.
Where was the Avalon assembled?
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My '98 was built in Kentucky. It's been excellent in form and function.
Brent |
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C. E. White
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:57 am Post subject:
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | My US built Avalon is crap. So was a friend's. On the other hand, I had
3 Japanese built Tercels and they were excellent. You should be
concerned.
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So is it your feeling that it is not the design, engineering, or management
philosophy that makes Toyota so good? Is it just the work force actually
assembling the cars? If Chevy's were assembled in Japan in a Toyota factory,
would they be as good as a Toyota? Or maybe even better?
Ed |
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