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mst
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
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On 28 Oct 2005 06:04:24 -0700 "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What is wrong with split bench type bucket seats ?
Isn't also more < romantic > ?
Get a Lincoln Navigator or a Chevy Caprice ...plenty of leg room.
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Why not just get a CAT D-9 ?
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:02 am Post subject:
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I did never mind.
You are a condescending asshole who talks down to people just because
you got busted in your vanities ?
Hey dumbfuck so what is the transmission is bulky.
Does that make it electronically uncontrollable ?
Ther already exxist cars with transmission controls on steering column
Well let us say you are a fucking know it all.
Why don't you just communicate clearly with a cohernet answer
as to why it cannot be done instead of mouthing off in vaguries. |
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:05 am Post subject:
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Yes I meant the shifter
Sorry if there was any confusion
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:11 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Try one the large front wheel drive cars instead,
like a Toyota Avalon or Buick La Crosse.
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Avalon > A Japanese car with bench or splitbucket ?
Never heard of it Are you sure ?
| Quote: | You might also find a Ford Crown Victoria meets your needs.
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I know there are still quite a few American made cars but very few in
mid size range.
BTW I remember this Nissan economy size car Sentra 15 years ago
that had bucket seats but had absolutely NOTHING in between on the
floor
between passenger and driver. Was pretty cool & comfortable. |
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Bob
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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<karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I did never mind.
You are a condescending asshole who talks down to people just because
you got busted in your vanities ?
Hey dumbfuck so what is the transmission is bulky.
Does that make it electronically uncontrollable ?
Ther already exxist cars with transmission controls on steering column
Well let us say you are a fucking know it all.
Why don't you just communicate clearly with a cohernet answer
as to why it cannot be done instead of mouthing off in vaguries.
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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I agree but the discussion has completely rolled off topic
My question was about why the stupid thing has to stick up there in the
middle.
I saw one reply addressing the question that gives an idea of problems
faced but
I thought these would have been addressed over 50 years of auto
electronics
and mechanics |
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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A Vette itself is moronic given that it is for a juveinle fantasies of
grown up retards like you.
I am laughing my ass off at your immaturity and lack of respect for
other
peoples preferences.
I realize the manufactureer is selling a fantasy when they sell a car
but I cannot see
why they cannot make it comfortable as well |
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:
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<karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I agree but the discussion has completely rolled off topic
My question was about why the stupid thing has to stick up there in the
middle.
I saw one reply addressing the question that gives an idea of problems
faced but
I thought these would have been addressed over 50 years of auto
electronics
and mechanics
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It is certainly easily within the realm of mechanics and electronics to get
rid of the console, shifter, etc and move it to a more convenient location.
Almost all the auto companies cluster together in their opinions of
'what we want'. Have you noticed how so many cars nowadays look
indistinguishable from similar level cars in the competitive line?
One of my big bitches is the use of so many microprocessors. It isn't
necessary, it is expensive, and it isnt necessarily trouble free to include
space age electronic complication in a damn car.
Two of the female members of my family have cars in which the cup holder
was a principal issue. Men might snicker at this (and a few women too)
but when you pay $25-40,000 for a car, you want something that is
comfortable, quiet, economical (maybe) and ergonomic.
As in politics, we are served up options from column A and column B,
and we try to choose between the lesser of the evils. |
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Rick Brandt
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:
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karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Yes I meant the shifter
Sorry if there was any confusion
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I would guess that the reason the automatic shifter is in the center console is
because if the same model offers a manual that is where the shifter has to go
and it would be expensive to have a different center console arrangement on the
same model betweeen the two transmission options.
I agree that on models that don't offer a manual tranny option the reason for
putting the automatic shifter in the center console is the same reason that the
car has a tachometer in the dashboard (recent discussion on this should be easy
to find). That is because buyers (targetted by that model) think that is
"cooler" than putting the shifter somewhere else. |
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject:
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"Rick Brandt" <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
I would guess that the reason the automatic shifter is in the center
console is
because if the same model offers a manual that is where the shifter has to
go
and it would be expensive to have a different center console arrangement
on the
same model betweeen the two transmission options.
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Doesn't have to go there at all for most manuals, Rick. There are
exceptions, of course.
Some years ago, most American cars had manual transmissions and the shifters
were on the steering column.
Some foreign cars even had the shifter coming through or from under the
dash.
Those were mechanical shifter linkages for the most part, and due to the
turns and
convolutions, they did not have the positive feel that a shifter mounted
directly
on a transmission, or integral with the transmission, would have.
Now, almost all cars have gone to front wheel drive, front engines with
transaxles.
In such cases, the shift lever between the seats is once again a remote
linkage.
It doesn't have to be there at all. It has become customary. |
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mst
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:05:21 GMT "Rick Brandt" <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | That is because buyers (targetted by that model) think that is
"cooler" than putting the shifter somewhere else.
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I always thought the button-pushing to select gear
was a cool idea - the Chrysler folks were big on
this many years ago.
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mst
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:26:13 GMT <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:
| Quote: | Now, almost all cars have gone to front wheel drive, front engines with
transaxles.
In such cases, the shift lever between the seats is once again a remote
linkage.
It doesn't have to be there at all. It has become customary.
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A small joystick and electro-mechanical "linkage"
would be a polished answer.
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Rick Brandt
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject:
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HLS@nospam.nix wrote:
| Quote: | "Rick Brandt" <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
I would guess that the reason the automatic shifter is in the
center console is because if the same model offers a manual that is
where the shifter has to go and it would be expensive to have a
different center console arrangement on the same model betweeen the
two transmission options.
Doesn't have to go there at all for most manuals, Rick. There are
exceptions, of course. [snip]
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I was almost certain someone would point this out after I posted. My "improved"
comment would be "if the same model offers a manual that is where the shifter
has to go *if they expect to actually sell any units*".
I believe you can get "creative" with shifting mechanisms for automatics and the
buying public might be receptive, but if you put a manual shifter anywhere but
in the center console you will not be selling very many of those cars. |
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Daniel J. Stern
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, mst wrote:
| Quote: | I always thought the button-pushing to select gear was a cool idea
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It was, and it is.
| Quote: | the Chrysler folks were big on this many years ago.
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Yes, from '56 through '64.
And the Neoplan and Flxble people have put a great many pushbutton
automatic shifters in a great many transit buses. |
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