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pltrgyst
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:26 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:08:54 -0400, Dean Dark <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net>
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| Quote: | ... At that time Ford
definitely had the better gearboxes. The only other column shift that
I had that came close to being good was a Renault 16 TS. But that car
rusted even faster than the Cortina did.
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The Mercedes column 4-speed of that era on my old 190 was quite good as well.
-- Larry
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Tom K.
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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"Dean Dark" <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:02:31 -0400, Malt_Hound
""Malt_Hound\"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote:
Jeff Strickland wrote:
I learned to drive a stick with a 3-on-the-tree, a 3 speed that had the
shifter on the side of the steering column.
My first car was a '63 Ford Falcon ragtop w/ the 260cu.in. V8 & 3 on the
tree. I couldn't stick with the column shifter though (too granny for
me) so I put a Hurst floor shifter in it.
One of my early ones was a '62 or '63 Ford Cortina - pre-crossflow,
unfortunately - with a *four* speed column shifter. The shifter
actually wasn't too bad at all - quite positive. At that time Ford
definitely had the better gearboxes. The only other column shift that
I had that came close to being good was a Renault 16 TS. But that car
rusted even faster than the Cortina did.
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Dan.
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Your 16 TS' shifter must have been better than the 4 on the floor in my '78
Renault 5 (Le Car). My poor daughter learned to shift on that car; with the
usual technique involving a lunge forward and towards the steering wheel for
1st, aim for the back seat for 2nd, into the glovebox for 3rd and we won't
discuss 4th. Like most American owners, I didn't keep the Renault long
enough to find out about rust!
I was lucky to have a '52 Dodge 6 as my first car. Due to the fluid
coupling in concert with a column shift 3-speed & conventional clutch, I
learned how to shift and manipulate the clutch without the worry of stalling
the engine. Of course, after a year or so, I had the stator blades welded
together which improved the fuel mileage from about 9 to 14 mpg.
Tom |
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Dean Dark
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:19 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:43:47 -0400, "Tom K."
<tkorth1@spamspamcomcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Your 16 TS' shifter must have been better than the 4 on the floor in my '78
Renault 5 (Le Car). My poor daughter learned to shift on that car; with the
usual technique involving a lunge forward and towards the steering wheel for
1st, aim for the back seat for 2nd, into the glovebox for 3rd and we won't
discuss 4th. Like most American owners, I didn't keep the Renault long
enough to find out about rust!
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I bow to your experience with your Renault 5. However, the 16 was a
different beastie, and mechanically it was pretty good. That it was
also a tinworm magnet probably explains why none are left, though I'm
sure someone will chip in with a tale of how their Uncle Norman has
one that's still as good as the day he drove it off the showroom
floor.
ISTR that Lotus used the 16's engine, gearbox & transaxle in the first
versions of the Europa, the only change being a crown wheel
side-switch mod. to avoid having four reverse gears and one forward
one.
What does all this have to do with BMWs? Damned if I know. Except
that I'd *love* to see BMW selling a decent, mid-engine sports car.
I caught the mid-engine bug years ago. Once you've got it, there's no
going back. It's all about polar moments of inertia, turn-in and
corner speed.
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Dan.
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject:
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Tom K. wrote:
| Quote: | adder1969@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1130415161.487518.128070@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dodgy wrote:
An automatic is either something you move on to as you learn that
start stop traffic jams are a pain in the left leg or something you
borrow off your dad!
..or you don't like 4 gear changes to get to 30mph in a 6-speed.
So you normally drive your BMW in 5th gear at 30 mph. How does it cruise at
1200 rpm?
Tom
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Should have said 3 changes from 1st (or four in total from neutral.)
1200rpm in top is about 30mph. |
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Keith Kratochvil
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:42 am Post subject:
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That's what I was thinking - I am only in 1st or 2nd depending how much
a I pushing the car.
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What kind of truck do you drive adder?!
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Tomislav Buric
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:39 am Post subject:
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"Dodgy" <Dodgy@earth.planet.universe> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Pssst... You really should keep quiet about this, or keep it to a US
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:-)))
--
It's a good idea to drive a little Japanese/Ford/whatever shopping
machine once a year to remind yourself why you're in a BMW for the
rest
of the year. by John Burns.
'98 328i coupe
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Frank Kemper
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:23 am Post subject:
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"Corey Shuman" <cshuman@gmail.com> haute in die Tasten:
| Quote: | why limit yourself to the six speed... the new m5 has a 7 speed
smg... not quite as connected as the actual clutch pedal... but
wow... 7 speeds... what fun I could have....
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7 speeds, how boring, even my bicycle has 8 speeds;-) If you really
want a challenge, go for a 8x8 heavy truck with 450 HP and 16 speed
gearbox;-)
Frank (who knows how to shift and therefore prefers auto trans;-))
BTW: I just recently read a test, where a 7 speed tiptronic launch
control itzy gitzy M5 was simply beaten at 0-60 mph by a Mercedes CLS
55 AMG with an ordinary 5 speed slushbox - this is really
disgusting...
Frank
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Frank Kemper
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:29 am Post subject:
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Dean Dark <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> haute in die Tasten:
| Quote: | What does all this have to do with BMWs? Damned if I know. Except
that I'd *love* to see BMW selling a decent, mid-engine sports car.
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Do they sell the 130i over there in the US? 3 litre inline 6 engine,
260 HP, RWD, 6 speed gearbox and roughly the size of a 2002;-)
Unfortunately I read a test review a few days ago which said that the
manual shift is lousy compared to usual BMW standards.
Frank
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:45 am Post subject:
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Whether it is disgusting is just a matter of the point of view. From the
Merc perspective it is a great result, proving how good (and 'unslushy')
Merc auto is...
;-)
DAS
PS. I agree with you about knowing manual but preferring auto...
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BTW: I just recently read a test, where a 7 speed tiptronic launch
control itzy gitzy M5 was simply beaten at 0-60 mph by a Mercedes CLS
55 AMG with an ordinary 5 speed slushbox - this is really
disgusting...
Frank
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:46 am Post subject:
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....and it isn't exacly eye-candy.
DAS
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Unfortunately I read a test review a few days ago which said that the
manual shift is lousy compared to usual BMW standards.
Frank
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Frank Kemper
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> haute in die Tasten:
| Quote: | ...and it isn't exacly eye-candy.
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Full Ack! I wonder if they will ever launch this nice little 2 door
convertible they were showing as a prototype in advance of the 1'
series launch
http://www.bmwcompact.de/picts/cs1b.jpg
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:01 am Post subject:
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Very nice looking but...the URL contains the word "compact".
Is this a resurrection of the old Compact? Shortened 3 with outdated
engines...?... :-) Better to buy a Ford convertible?...
And I should have written "exactly" with a t. I blame it all on the e-mail
culture of not caring about spelling or grammar...
DAS
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Full Ack! I wonder if they will ever launch this nice little 2 door
convertible they were showing as a prototype in advance of the 1'
series launch
http://www.bmwcompact.de/picts/cs1b.jpg
Frank
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Frank Kemper
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:13 am Post subject:
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> haute in die Tasten:
| Quote: | Very nice looking but...the URL contains the word "compact".
Is this a resurrection of the old Compact? Shortened 3 with
outdated engines...?... :-) Better to buy a Ford
convertible?...
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In fact I found the picture on a (quite mediocre) BMW 3'series
compact fan site. IIRC BMW developed both the new 1' series and the
E90 3'series in that way that they share quite a lot of parts and
that they are ready to share one assembly line. In order not to
"cannibalize" the 3'series sales, BMW at first planned to sell the
1'series only with 4 cylinder engines. OTOH the 1' series is
substantially more expensive than its main competitor Golf, so I
think BMW had to add a 6 cylinder engine to make tke car more
luxurious. AFAIK there is no new 3'series compact to be launched, but
I have not heard anything about a really compact 1'series twoo door
hatchback. IMHO BMW should rethink its 1'series product lineup. Over
here in munich they drive around everywhere, but I assume this has to
do with thousands of BMW workers which get them with a nice discount
and would have bought a Golf instead if BMW was not offering such a
small car.
I do like the Idea of a small, yet "real" BMW, which means RWD,
manual gearbox and I6 engine. But I do find the current 1'series ugly
and too expensive. Every now and then I think about the idea of
finding the perfect unspoiled two door E30 325i with manual trans,
shadowline trim, M-Sports package 1, in silver with black leather,
but in fact I own two cars, and adding a 3rd one may endanger my
marriage;-)
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:
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I am sure you are right on the first point.
On the second point, in Munich be different, be daring and...
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buy a car made in Stuttgart (either suburb) (or Bremen or Osnabrück)....
DAS
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| Quote: | here in munich they drive around everywhere, but I assume this has to
do with thousands of BMW workers which get them with a nice discount
and would have bought a Golf instead if BMW was not offering such a
small car.
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Every now and then I think about the idea of
finding the perfect unspoiled two door E30 325i with manual trans,
shadowline trim, M-Sports package 1, in silver with black leather,
but in fact I own two cars, and adding a 3rd one may endanger my
marriage;-)
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