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donquijote1954
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:28 am Post subject:
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'The old ways of traffic engineering - build it bigger, wider, faster -
aren't going to disappear overnight. But one look at West Palm Beach
suggests an evolution is under way. When the city of 82,000 went ahead
with its plan to convert several wide thoroughfares into narrow two-way
streets, traffic slowed so much that people felt it was safe to walk
there. The increase in pedestrian traffic attracted new shops and
apartment buildings. Property values along Clematis Street, one of the
town's main drags, have more than doubled since it was reconfigured.
"In West Palm, people were just fed up with the way things were, and
sometimes, that's what it takes," says Lockwood, the town's former
transportation manager. "What we really need is a complete paradigm
shift in traffic engineering and city planning to break away from the
conventional ideas that have got us in this mess. There's still this
notion that we should build big roads everywhere because the car
represents personal freedom. Well, that's bullshit. The truth is that
most people are prisoners of their cars."'
Roads Gone Wild
How to Build a Better Intersection: Chaos = Cooperation
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html?pg=1&topic=traffic&topic_set=
http://committed.to/justiceforpeace
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donquijote1954
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Hey, when it comes to walking, you are the bottom of the food chain.
Walking, it turns out, is dangerous to your health...
Walking in L.A. Deemed Risky Business
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Posted by Christine Ahn on Dec 12, 2004, 21:49
LOS ANGELES - Nobody walks in L.A. -- and for good reason.
A nationwide study issued Dec. 2 found walking to be the most dangerous
way to travel in Los Angeles, and the country at large. According to
the Surface Transportation Policy Project's report entitled Mean
Streets 2004, "America's streets are growing meaner for
pedestrians."
Although the L.A. region, which also includes Riverside, Orange, San
Bernardino and Ventura counties, was rated the 20th most dangerous in
the U.S., it was highlighted as a "bright spot" for its significant
improvements in pedestrian safety.
L.A. is the fifth most-improved metro area, as pedestrian fatalities
have dropped 18.6 percent over the last 10 years. Salt Lake City leads
the nation with a 44.2 percent decline in deaths, while Orlando was
found to be the most dangerous place to walk.
While L.A.'s improvements are a step in the right direction, locals
are troubled -- but not necessarily shocked -- by the finding that
pedestrians account for about 21 percent of traffic deaths in an area
where less than 3 percent of residents walk frequently.
"Honestly, it doesn't surprise me," said 19-year-old Ndidi
Asianua of Los Angeles. "There are a lot of reckless, impatient
drivers in L.A. who don't give pedestrians the right-of-way, even at
crosswalks."
Nationwide, about 11 percent of traffic fatalities are pedestrians. A
total of 4,827 American walkers died last year while 51,989 have died
in the last decade. The STPP hopes that these numbers, along with the
finding that walking has become more deadly in the U.S. overall, will
spur government action.
"Nearly 52,000 pedestrian deaths over the last 10 years is a
staggering figure that demands that we do much more to make walking a
safer travel option," said STPP president Anne Canby in a press
release.
The study pointed out that less than one percent of federal
transportation funds were used on pedestrian safety over the last
spending period. In California, spending aimed at walkers broke down to
about 50 cents per person each year, well below the national average of
82 cents. Los Angeles spent a paltry 21 cents per person.
The Mean Streets study recommended that states aim to better protect
their walkers by taking such steps as improving crosswalks, enforcing
speed limits and promoting walking as a healthy mode of transportation. |
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The Real Bev
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:14 am Post subject:
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donquijote1954 wrote:
| Quote: | While L.A.'s improvements are a step in the right direction, locals
are troubled -- but not necessarily shocked -- by the finding that
pedestrians account for about 21 percent of traffic deaths in an area
where less than 3 percent of residents walk frequently.
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Consider the possibility that these dead pedestrians were unable to pass
the driving test and just wandered out into traffic through ignorance or
stupidity.
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Cheers, Bev
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Self Test for Paranoia: You know you have it when you can't
think of anything that's your own fault.
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Scott en Aztlán
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:29 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:14:48 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:
| Quote: | donquijote1954 wrote:
While L.A.'s improvements are a step in the right direction, locals
are troubled -- but not necessarily shocked -- by the finding that
pedestrians account for about 21 percent of traffic deaths in an area
where less than 3 percent of residents walk frequently.
Consider the possibility that these dead pedestrians were unable to pass
the driving test and just wandered out into traffic through ignorance or
stupidity.
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The explanation is even simpler than that:
In any car-pedestrian collision, the driver of the car is protected by
a heavy steel cage, restrained by seatbelts, and cushioned by airbags.
The pedestrian is completely unprotected. OF COURSE the pedestrian is
more likely to sustain serious injuries than the driver.
BTW, the fact that "less than 3 percent of residents walk frequently"
is totally irrelevant. I'm troubled -- but not necessarily shocked --
by the fact that some moron threw in that little snippet of info.
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http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/ |
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Bill 2
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:51 am Post subject:
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"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1102993903.168755.313970@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | "Honestly, it doesn't surprise me," said 19-year-old Ndidi
Asianua of Los Angeles. "There are a lot of reckless, impatient
drivers in L.A. who don't give pedestrians the right-of-way, even at
crosswalks."
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"Even at crosswalks" I don't yield right of way to pedestrians UNLESS they
are at a crosswalk.
Fortunately the traffic laws in NS side with me. Frequently peds are
ticketed in ped-car collisions outside of crosswalks.
When walking I take some personal responsibility when I'm crossing and
ensure a car won't hit me. Works both in and out of crosswalks. |
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fbloogyudsr
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:34 am Post subject:
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"Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote
| Quote: | "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote
"Honestly, it doesn't surprise me," said 19-year-old Ndidi
Asianua of Los Angeles. "There are a lot of reckless, impatient
drivers in L.A. who don't give pedestrians the right-of-way, even at
crosswalks."
"Even at crosswalks" I don't yield right of way to pedestrians UNLESS they
are at a crosswalk.
Fortunately the traffic laws in NS side with me. Frequently peds are
ticketed in ped-car collisions outside of crosswalks.
When walking I take some personal responsibility when I'm crossing and
ensure a car won't hit me. Works both in and out of crosswalks.
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Just as long as you recognize that not all crosswalks are marked.
For instance, there is an implicit xwalk at all intersections in WA state,
regardless of whether there is a marking on the street or any signs.
Floyd |
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Bill 2
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:39 am Post subject:
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"fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote
"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote
"Honestly, it doesn't surprise me," said 19-year-old Ndidi
Asianua of Los Angeles. "There are a lot of reckless, impatient
drivers in L.A. who don't give pedestrians the right-of-way, even at
crosswalks."
"Even at crosswalks" I don't yield right of way to pedestrians UNLESS
they
are at a crosswalk.
Fortunately the traffic laws in NS side with me. Frequently peds are
ticketed in ped-car collisions outside of crosswalks.
When walking I take some personal responsibility when I'm crossing and
ensure a car won't hit me. Works both in and out of crosswalks.
Just as long as you recognize that not all crosswalks are marked.
For instance, there is an implicit xwalk at all intersections in WA state,
regardless of whether there is a marking on the street or any signs.
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Oh I realize there are unmarked crosswalks at intersections, but that still
makes them crosswalks, and I only yield at crosswalks. |
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:37 am Post subject:
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fbloogyudsr wrote:
| Quote: | "Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote
"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote
"Honestly, it doesn't surprise me," said 19-year-old Ndidi
Asianua of Los Angeles. "There are a lot of reckless, impatient
drivers in L.A. who don't give pedestrians the right-of-way, even
at
crosswalks."
"Even at crosswalks" I don't yield right of way to pedestrians
UNLESS they
are at a crosswalk.
Fortunately the traffic laws in NS side with me. Frequently peds
are
ticketed in ped-car collisions outside of crosswalks.
When walking I take some personal responsibility when I'm crossing
and
ensure a car won't hit me. Works both in and out of crosswalks.
Just as long as you recognize that not all crosswalks are marked.
For instance, there is an implicit xwalk at all intersections in WA
state,
regardless of whether there is a marking on the street or any signs.
Floyd
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I always respect crosswalks marked or unmarked. But it's a funny
thing. Most of the people I've hit are outside the crosswalk. It
seems after I hit them, they mysteriously leave the crosswalk.
FUCK'EM. |
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donquijote1954
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:56 am Post subject:
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Bill 2 wrote:
| Quote: | "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1102993903.168755.313970@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
"Honestly, it doesn't surprise me," said 19-year-old Ndidi
Asianua of Los Angeles. "There are a lot of reckless, impatient
drivers in L.A. who don't give pedestrians the right-of-way, even
at
crosswalks."
"Even at crosswalks" I don't yield right of way to pedestrians UNLESS
they
are at a crosswalk.
Fortunately the traffic laws in NS side with me. Frequently peds are
ticketed in ped-car collisions outside of crosswalks.
When walking I take some personal responsibility when I'm crossing
and
ensure a car won't hit me. Works both in and out of crosswalks.
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The point of the second article is that we don't need as many signs,
which I hope doesn't extend to pedestrians. They need crosswalks as
much as bikes need bike lanes. Regrettably the human being is ignored
in favor of the machine.
What's been done is too little--and perhaps too late. |
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject:
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donquijote1954 wrote:
| Quote: | 'The old ways of traffic engineering - build it bigger, wider, faster
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aren't going to disappear overnight.
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So now I have to walk 16 miles to and from my job? Whew, it's really
going to cut down on my sleep time. |
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Daniel J. Stern
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, donquijote1954 wrote:
| Quote: | pedestrians need crosswalks as much as bikes need bike lanes.
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Better not let Brent see you saying that. |
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Mike Z. Helm
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:14:48 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com>
| Quote: | donquijote1954 wrote:
While L.A.'s improvements are a step in the right direction, locals
are troubled -- but not necessarily shocked -- by the finding that
pedestrians account for about 21 percent of traffic deaths in an area
where less than 3 percent of residents walk frequently.
Consider the possibility that these dead pedestrians were unable to pass
the driving test and just wandered out into traffic through ignorance or
stupidity.
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You think they couldn't pass a driver's test just because they were
ignorant or stupid?
If only driving tests were that rigorous.
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John Reiher
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Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject:
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In article <q896s0h4k1u4flmj7050jgscbbf6lnes7v@4ax.com>,
Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote:
| Quote: | You think they couldn't pass a driver's test just because they were
ignorant or stupid?
If only driving tests were that rigorous.
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The big problem is that people believe that they have a _right_ to
drive, when it fact it is a _privilege_. In fact you can buy a motor
vehicle without having a valid license to operate it.
Any attempt to change this ends up with the Car Companies showing up on
your state legislature/assembly with large buckets of money to convince
your representatives/assemblymen to do otherwise.
Imagine the brouhaha that would erupt if a law were passed that if you
lost your license, you lost your car as well, or at least the license
plates? What if there are two drivers in the affect household? Well then
you keep your car/license plates, but if you are caught behind the
wheel, jail time will result as well as substantial fines. And you lose
your license not for six months or a year, but at least for 5 years, if
not more.
Don't worry, it will never happen, the car companies will make sure of
that.
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:39 am Post subject:
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The car companies will not allow it? I believe you have the
wrong villain. The various governments are the ones that gets
those annual road taxes and fees from that privilege that support
the streets, highways and low cost public transportation. ;)
mike hunt
John Reiher wrote:
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The big problem is that people believe that they have a _right_ to
drive, when it fact it is a _privilege_. In fact you can buy a motor
vehicle without having a valid license to operate it.
Any attempt to change this ends up with the Car Companies showing up on
your state legislature/assembly with large buckets of money to convince
your representatives/assemblymen to do otherwise.
Imagine the brouhaha that would erupt if a law were passed that if you
lost your license, you lost your car as well, or at least the license
plates? What if there are two drivers in the affect household? Well then
you keep your car/license plates, but if you are caught behind the
wheel, jail time will result as well as substantial fines. And you lose
your license not for six months or a year, but at least for 5 years, if
not more.
Don't worry, it will never happen, the car companies will make sure of
that.
--
The Kedamono Dragon
Pull Pinky's favorite words to email me.
http://www.ahtg.net
Have Mac, will Compute
Check out the PowerPointers Shop at:
http://www.cafeshops.com/PowerPointers |
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John David Galt
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:02 am Post subject:
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| Please don't feed the troll. |
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