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[philthy]

that would be revoking the nafta agreement. which i'm all for, we need to take
care of ourselves first before we fix the world
and by the way how can we as a free country be truly free to express our
opinions to each other when we can't speak the others language (spanish) thats
the beginnings of a country take over from wiithin. don't give away your guns
we are going to need them

kmatheson@sisna.com wrote:

[Guest]

The problem is that it's gotten too complex for a simple answer like
this.

Consider a real simple example, manufacture of electrical circuit
breaker panels (not the breakers, the panels that they mount into)

The businesses involved in the supply chain here are as follows:

1) Mining operations that dig the iron ore out of the ground and
process
it into pig iron

2) Steel mills that take the raw iron and produce sheet steel

3) The panel manufacturer that takes the sheet steel and cuts and
bends it into the box

The well meaning government decides there's too much cheap sheet
steel coming in and it's damaging the domestic steelmakers. So
they raise tariffs on foreign steel

The panel manufacturers were buying cheap foreign steel to make
panels here. Now they can't so they have to raise prices, and then
become uncompetitive. Now the foreign panelbox manufacturers can
undercut them and flood the market.

So the upshot is you have helped out one domestic industry but in so
doing you
have harmed many other domestic industries. The effect is you simply
shift
job loss from one industry to another.

The key in all of this is getting the consumer to buy in. If you can
convince
the consumers to insist on domestic suppliers, they will put pressure
on those
suppliers to also buy domestic, who put pressure on their suppliers to
also
buy domestic, and so on right up the supply chain. Unfortunately this
is not
a concept that has been trained into the American public since grade
school,
which is why there is so incredibly much low-quality junk sold in the
US, since
people buy so much on price only.

We ARE starting to see these attitudes change in certain markets -
particularly
food. People in the US are beginning to push their local grocery
stores to buy
from local farmers and suppliers, for example.

But, so many industries have been foreign-dominated for so long that
now theres
no domestic suppliers left. For example the manufacture of TV sets.
Even people
willing to pay more for a domestically produced TV simply cannot do it.

Unfortunately the genberal public in the US seems to be unable to
retain much
for very long. Every time the US goes through an economic slump,
people
start getting a clue about "Buy American" and we see interest in this,
along
with various advertising campaigns about it. But as soon as the
economy starts
to recover, people lose interest and are right back to ignoring
everything on
the product except for price.

[Mike Hunter]

The American consumer must lean from the Japanese once again, as the
American manufacture have learn that quality counts. Japanese consumers
have consistently been more incline to buy those products made in the own
country rather than product made in other courtiers. They understand it is
far more important to support ones own economy than that of foreign
countries. Unfortunately many Americans are confused about from whom they
are buying.. Toyota for instance gives the impression that many of the
vehicles it sells in the US are made in the US. The fact is the majority of
their vehicles are imported and those that are assembled in the US are
assemble primarily of cheaper imported parts. Honda does a much better job
of actually building in the US on mostly US parts. In the case of both
however the profits still leave the country federal corporate tax free.

mike hunt



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[Guest]

Actually what is far worse than the profits leaving tax free is the
fact that
only the lower-level people get a salary from them.

It probably is unfair to say but if you look at new manufacturing
business
starts in the US, and I'm talking non-retail, and non-service, your
going
to find most of them beng done by folks who worked in the corporate
boardrooms for 20+ years making six figure salaries. Those are the
employers we want to have in the country. We need new retail business
starts like a hole in the head - all they do is push the few surviving
ma-and-pa retailers out of business and put in giant multiplexes that
employ a bunch of high school students at minimum wage.

When companies like Toyota and Honda come in, the six figure
executive positions are reserved for the motherships in their homeland.
Additionally, particularly with the Japanese, they dislike making
infrastructure investments in the US, the first choice of suppliers is
Japanese firms, they nickel-and-dime everything they build here.
There are not a huge number of spinoff firms coming out of Honda
and Toyota investments here in the US. Contrast that to General
Motors and all of it's spawn.

While an economy filled with workers making $70K a year would probably
be a fairly pleasant thing, it's not going to be able to produce many
new business starts that are worth sneezing at. While a lot of people
decry the rich/poor gap, the fact that we have a good number of people
making half a million bucks a year, after taxes, running around in the
country does provide a fairly fertile ground for new busines starts.
And
that is one of the things that keeps the US going, since there's always
going to be business failures every year and unless your replacing
these
with new business starts, you end up with all business becoming giant
monopolies and everyone working for big wasteful conglomerates.

Ted

[Mike Hunter]

Toyota workers in the US that assemble their cars, of imported parts, have
less desirable health care than do domestic auto worker and Toyota vehicles
cost more than comparable sized and equipped domestic vehicles. Where in
the Constitution is one guaranteed government supplied health care? What's
next a government supplied car so one can go the a doctor or pharmacy? ;)

mike hunt


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