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Darryl Okahata
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:
Re: 2002 A4 vs. BMW 325 Xi - reliability |
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E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> writes:
| Quote: | Heh. Given the timeframe, I wonder if similar parts were used in both
BMW and Audi.
Likely - European car makers use lots of common parts from outside
vendors. Mercedes-Benz has window regulator issues in the C and E
class cars like those for BMW as well, also for the same time frame.
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Well, that's depressing.
As far as I know, the BMW window regulator issue is still ongoing,
as I've seen no one claim that it's been fixed (for E46's at least --
it's unknown about the new E90's).
For the BMW 3-series (E46's), the window regulators, sunroof clips,
and headliner trim problems seem to be the top three non-mechanical
issues.
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Darryl Okahata
darrylo@soco.agilent.com
DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or
of the little green men that have been following him all day.
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Ian S
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:09 am Post subject:
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"+ Rob +" <spam.can@spam.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Ian S" <iws51remove@cox.net> wrote in message
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According to Consumer Reports, the 2002 year was not a good one for the
A4
V6. Three areas, electrical, ignition and power equipment, were either
worse
than average or much worse than average; the overall reliability rating
was
worse than average. It's specifically listed in their "Used Cars to
Avoid"
listing. In contrast, the BMW 3 series for 2002 had no areas worse than
average and an overall reliability of better than average. The 2002 3
series
was specifically listed in their list of "Reliable Used Cars."
Keep in mind that the primary reason for the 2002 A4's low reliability
ratings is a single problem that has now been totally rectified by a
manufacturer recall. Specifically, I'm talking about the faulty "coil
packs"
(a part of the ignition system) that caused a lot of cars to suddenly quit
running. However, the bad part in question was replaced in all cars by a
completely redesigned part. So the problem, unlike the negative ratings
pertaining to it, is gone.
Rob
2002 A4 3.0Q
2005 TT 3.2 DSG
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From 1997 to 2003, all years but one of the A4 V6 have below average
"overall" reliabilities. The ignition problem in 2002 shows clearly because
all other years had better than average "ignition" reliability. But the 2002
A4 also got below average for "power equipment" - the same as the two prior
years - and low marks for "electrical equipment" that also showed up in all
but one of the previous five years. It's not just the ignition problem. |
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Karl
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject:
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What year is not below average?
| Quote: | From 1997 to 2003, all years but one of the A4 V6 have below average
"overall" reliabilities. The ignition problem in 2002 shows clearly
because all other years had better than average "ignition" reliability.
But the 2002 A4 also got below average for "power equipment" - the same
as the two prior years - and low marks for "electrical equipment" that
also showed up in all but one of the previous five years. It's not just
the ignition problem.
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Ian S
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Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:
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"Karl" <karl@csu.edu.co> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What year is not below average?
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'01 is average in overall reliability. '04 is above average in overall
reliability. |
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Karl
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:30 am Post subject:
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And '03?
iws51remove@cox.net (Ian S) wrote in <ywsXe.42876$ct5.21038@fed1read04>:
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"Karl" <karl@csu.edu.co> wrote in message
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What year is not below average?
'01 is average in overall reliability. '04 is above average in overall
reliability.
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Ian S
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:
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"Karl" <karl@csu.edu.co> wrote in message
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below average in overall reliability. Problem areas appear to be electrical
and power equipment - between 5% and 9.3% of survey respondents reporting
problems in those areas for the period between 4-1-2003 and 4-1-2004. |
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E Brown
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:31:51 -0700, "Ian S" <iws51remove@cox.net>
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| Quote: | "Karl" <karl@csu.edu.co> wrote in message
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And '03?
below average in overall reliability. Problem areas appear to be electrical
and power equipment - between 5% and 9.3% of survey respondents reporting
problems in those areas for the period between 4-1-2003 and 4-1-2004.
I'll bet most of those reports were window-related. |
Emanuel
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2003 BMW 325i Black/Black
2003 BMW Z4 Black/Black |
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GLitwinski
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:34 am Post subject:
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Go look in April Consumer Reports "car issue".
2002 was a "good" year for the 3-series. I don't think A4's ever had a good
year in terms of reliability.
By the way, neither is a high performance car and even if they were that
should not make them more maintenance-prone. Witness beasts like the Supra
TT, NSX, 300Z TT, Mitsubishi 3000GT which were very high performance sports
cars and not maintenance prone. It's a German thing, not a high performance
thing.
- GRL
"Karl" <karl@csu.edu.co> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi,
I'm thinking very seriously of purchasing either a 2002 A4 3.0 Quattro, or
the BMW 325 XI from roughly the same year.
I've read all the stuff about performance, safety, etc, etc. So I don't
need a lot of input in that department.
However, I am having a hard time finding good data on the reliability /
expense of repairs / maintenance of these cars. All the reviews I've seen
are from the year they came out. Now that 3-4 years have elapsed since
the
release of the cars from that year I'd like to know which of these cars
has
proven itself to be more reliable, have fewer problems and is less
expensive to fix.
A good friend who works in a used luxury car dealership, and is presumably
neutral on the issue, advised me very seriously to go with the BMW as the
Audi according to him "has a lot of problems and is more expensive to
fix".
I'm aware that both are fairly high performance cars and as such will be
more prone to problems than the 1994 toyota pickup (135,000 miles and
NEVER
been in the shop for anything besides maintenance) it will replace. But I
would think at this time one would have shown itself to be more reliable
than the other.
Does anyone have any input either way? Or better yet, some kind of long
term comprehensive data on the web I can look at? |
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