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xmirage2kx
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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I was in an accident today (as a passenger, friend was driver) a
driver of a accord (03) hit us (1962 lincoln). they ran a red light an
hit the drivers side door/front quarter) the accord was totaled, and
all 3 passengers were taken to the hospital, the driver was seriously
injured (driver/passenger wearing seatbelts, back seat passenger
wasnt). while in our car, we were just alittle shaken up, and my
friend has a good sized bruise on his leg and arm. and the accord was
just a few inches away from my friend!!! you couldnt tell the lincoln
had been hit from 35 feet (the door panel and quarter was dented,
looked like someone opened the door into a large pole). and I have
already fixed 80% of the damages to my friends lincoln with a dent
puller (cost $15).
I ask, how can New cars be considered safer? a few inches of steel
was all that stood between us and death, and we were not hurt, but the
5 stars test rated accord was totaled, and sent all occupants to the
hospital. they had 5 feet of car infront of them, airbags, and
shoulderbelts. I wont argue we were lucky, but still, that is sad.
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SnoMan
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject:
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"xmirage2kx" wrote:
| Quote: | I was in an accident today (as a passenger, friend was driver) a
driver of a accord (03) hit us (1962 lincoln). they ran a red light
an
hit the drivers side door/front quarter) the accord was totaled, and
all 3 passengers were taken to the hospital, the driver was seriously
injured (driver/passenger wearing seatbelts, back seat passenger
wasnt). while in our car, we were just alittle shaken up, and my
friend has a good sized bruise on his leg and arm. and the accord was
just a few inches away from my friend!!! you couldnt tell the lincoln
had been hit from 35 feet (the door panel and quarter was dented,
looked like someone opened the door into a large pole). and I have
already fixed 80% of the damages to my friends lincoln with a dent
puller (cost ).
I ask, how can New cars be considered safer? a few inches of steel
was all that stood between us and death, and we were not hurt, but
the
5 stars test rated accord was totaled, and sent all occupants to the
hospital. they had 5 feet of car infront of them, airbags, and
shoulderbelts. I wont argue we were lucky, but still, that is sad.
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Primative thinking, it it was bad enough to total the accord, it did
more than just damage the door. Either the impact was overrated or the
damage was under rated. I have been in a bad collision in a Camary
and I do not believe I would be here today if it had been another car.
If it had been my old camary t-boning that lincoln with any real
force, that lincoln would have been totaled too. |
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AlBundy
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Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:42 pm Post subject:
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"SnoMan" wrote:
| Quote: | [quote:76b5f9232f="xmirage2kx"]I was in an accident today (as
a passenger, friend was driver) a driver of a accord (03) hit
us (1962 lincoln). they ran a red light an hit the drivers
side door/front quarter) the accord was totaled, and all 3
passengers were taken to the hospital, the driver was
seriously injured (driver/passenger wearing seatbelts, back
seat passenger wasnt). while in our car, we were just alittle
shaken up, and my friend has a good sized bruise on his leg
and arm. and the accord was just a few inches away from my
friend!!! you couldnt tell the lincoln had been hit from 35
feet (the door panel and quarter was dented, looked like
someone opened the door into a large pole). and I have already
fixed 80% of the damages to my friends lincoln with a dent
puller (cost $15).
I ask, how can New cars be considered safer? a few inches of
steel was all that stood between us and death, and we were not
hurt, but the 5 stars test rated accord was totaled, and sent
all occupants to the hospital. they had 5 feet of car infront
of them, airbags, and shoulderbelts. I wont argue we were
lucky, but still, that is sad.[/quote:76b5f9232f]
Primative thinking, it it was bad enough to total the accord,
it did more than just damage the door. Either the impact was
overrated or the damage was under rated. I have been in a bad
collision in a Camary and I do not believe I would be here
today if it had been another car. If it had been my old camary
t-boning that lincoln with any real force, that lincoln would
have been totaled too.
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Your CAMRY would be boucing like a tennis ball off that 6,000#
Lincoln. Now if you do have a CAMARY that may be something special
that we don’t know about.
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SnoMan
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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"steve" wrote:
| Quote: | Your CAMRY would be boucing like a tennis ball off that 6,000#
Lincoln. Now if you do have a CAMARY that may be something special
that we don’t know about.
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You should have seen what my Camary did to the vehical it hit. Chewed
it up. My car still ran but was not drivable any real distance and it
was perfect for windshield on back and all four doors were perfectly
aligned and closed like new too. The unibody "sub frame" is massive
in that car and held up quite well. If the car had no been so old it
would have been repairable. There was a steel cage under the dashboard
going side to side to re-enforce the car on side impacts too. There
was no distortion in the passanger compartment at all. It would have
mauled that Lincoln good in a Tbone. Back then Toyota had real 5mph
plus bumpers too that really worked.
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me
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:
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When the bumper standard was introduced by the NHTSA it was set at 5 MPH.
Subsequently it was reduced to 2.5 MPH because it was more cost effect than
5 MPH standard with little extra value attributed to the higher standard.
Ford is the only manufacture still meeting the 5 MPH standard for all of the
vehicles it builds today. No other manufacture uses the 5 MPH standard.
The federal crash standard for front end collisions is 35 MPH and it is that
standard that is used by all manufactures EXCEPT Ford. Ford builds all of
its vehicles to withstand a 40 MPH collision. The rear collision standard
it 30 MPH. Again Ford is the only manufacture that builds to a higher
standard, 35 MPH. In addition the Crown Victoria is built to withstand a 50
MPH crash standard and it is the only vehicle built to do so.
mike hunt
"steve" wrote:
| Quote: | Your CAMRY would be boucing (sic) like a tennis ball off that 6,000#
Lincoln. Now if you do have a CAMARY (sic) that may be something special
that we don't know about.
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You should have seen what my Camary (sic) did to the vehical (sic) hit.
Chewed
it up. My car still ran but was not drivable any real distance and it
was perfect for windshield on back and all four doors were perfectly
aligned and closed like new too. The unibody "sub frame" is massive
in that car and held up quite well. If the car had no been so old it
would have been repairable. There was a steel cage under the dashboard
going side to side to re-enforce the car on side impacts too. There
was no distortion in the passanger (sic) compartment at all. It would have
mauled that Lincoln good in a Tbone (sic). Back then Toyota had real 5mph
plus bumpers too that really worked. |
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James C. Reeves
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:06 am Post subject:
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A Camary against a 1962 Lincoln. Think about it. The Camary would be bug
juice against a 1962 Lincoln. |
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SnoMan
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:42 am Post subject:
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"James C. Reeves" wrote:
| Quote: | A Camary against a 1962 Lincoln. Think about it. The Camary would
be
bug
juice against a 1962 Lincoln.
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I have crashed in one and I am here today because of the cars design.
It impressed even me and I am not easily impressed. That car is really
built with good strength in impact areas. It take more than size to do
well in a crash, it takes design as well and a 62 lincoln had no crash
design to it at all.
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k wallace
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Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:
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James C. Reeves wrote:
| Quote: | A Camary against a 1962 Lincoln. Think about it. The Camary would be bug
juice against a 1962 Lincoln.
I don't even know what a 'camary' is, but there are things to consider |
when talking about an accident besides the visible damage to the car.
True, modern cars may be toast in some collisions, but they are designed
that way.
That makes more sense than it sounds like it does. Auto design
currently implements crumple zones- areas designed to 'accordian' in a
crash, keeping the passenger compartment intact. The hood and engine
area will be totaled, but the passengers should be safe, in a car with
this tech. Modern cars, though, with their lighter body materials, do
not do well in front-to-side (T-bone) collisions, especially if the
colliding car is a heavier model. The stiffening of door panels and
pillars has helped, but not to the degree that the side of the car won't
cave in. Side air bags can help, but if the whole side of the car is
caved in by something heavier and structually more sound, they won't
help that much.
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James C. Reeves
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Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:53 am Post subject:
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Generally, you are correct. However, I've seen many more modern cars
completely severed into two pieces (the rear half in one place and the front
half 50 yards further down the road. Never saw that situation happen back
in the 1960's. |
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xmirage2kx
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Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:44 am Post subject:
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"" wrote:
| Quote: | Generally, you are correct. However, I've seen many more
modern cars
completely severed into two pieces (the rear half in one place
and the front
half 50 yards further down the road. Never saw that situation
happen back
in the 1960's.
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I was looking up safety ratings and the history of such, and what has
been considered ’safe’ has been cut by 75% with the addition of
airbags. (aka frame strength, paneling, firewall, etc) now I know
airbags save lives, I wont argue that and have seen it many times, but
if I ht something and my car breaks apart what is left to protect me?
I understand the reducing impact yada yada yada, but when the engine
breaks away because i hit something wheres it gonna go? under me so my
car will flip, or on my lap. there arent many other options, and with
that 1/8" think peice of fiberglass they call a firewall as my
barrier between me and a 500# 500degree engine flying at me..... well
lets just say Ive seen better ideas. so they will put Six $1000+
airbags into a 2005 SUV, but they wont put in a $150 roll cage so if a
tire blows and you flip you still live? I know I would pay another
$2000 to have a thicker frame and a roll cage on my $35,000-$50,000
SUV.
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David O'Grady
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:
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Snoman, you're full of shit. Hit my 67 Coupe de Ville with your new crumply
car and I guarantee a small dent in mine and you're in the morgue
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| Quote: | "xmirage2kx" wrote:
I was in an accident today (as a passenger, friend was driver) a
driver of a accord (03) hit us (1962 lincoln). they ran a red light
an
hit the drivers side door/front quarter) the accord was totaled, and
all 3 passengers were taken to the hospital, the driver was seriously
injured (driver/passenger wearing seatbelts, back seat passenger
wasnt). while in our car, we were just alittle shaken up, and my
friend has a good sized bruise on his leg and arm. and the accord was
just a few inches away from my friend!!! you couldnt tell the lincoln
had been hit from 35 feet (the door panel and quarter was dented,
looked like someone opened the door into a large pole). and I have
already fixed 80% of the damages to my friends lincoln with a dent
puller (cost ).
I ask, how can New cars be considered safer? a few inches of steel
was all that stood between us and death, and we were not hurt, but
the
5 stars test rated accord was totaled, and sent all occupants to the
hospital. they had 5 feet of car infront of them, airbags, and
shoulderbelts. I wont argue we were lucky, but still, that is sad.
Primative thinking, it it was bad enough to total the accord, it did
more than just damage the door. Either the impact was overrated or the
damage was under rated. I have been in a bad collision in a Camary
and I do not believe I would be here today if it had been another car.
If it had been my old camary t-boning that lincoln with any real
force, that lincoln would have been totaled too. |
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David O'Grady
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:
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Camry vs. 1962 Lincoln = Snoman corpse to morgue. This is just common
sense.
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| Quote: | "steve" wrote:
Your CAMRY would be boucing like a tennis ball off that 6,000#
Lincoln. Now if you do have a CAMARY that may be something special
that we don’t know about.
You should have seen what my Camary did to the vehical it hit. Chewed
it up. My car still ran but was not drivable any real distance and it
was perfect for windshield on back and all four doors were perfectly
aligned and closed like new too. The unibody "sub frame" is massive
in that car and held up quite well. If the car had no been so old it
would have been repairable. There was a steel cage under the dashboard
going side to side to re-enforce the car on side impacts too. There
was no distortion in the passanger compartment at all. It would have
mauled that Lincoln good in a Tbone. Back then Toyota had real 5mph
plus bumpers too that really worked.
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