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Cam Newton
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:04 pm Post subject:
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:15:56 -0500, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
| Quote: | Cam Newton wrote:
I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
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Indeed. And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
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Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
day is an A6 stripper.
I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
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Agreed.
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Steve Grauman
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series |
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| Quote: | The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
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Sure, if you forget about the bigger, better engines (especially the T5), the
avaliablility if AWD on the S40 or the much nicer interior the Volvo enjoys.
| Quote: | Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
is.
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Well, I'd mostly agree with that. I know that the C70 and S80 have both been
extremely problematic vehicles. However, the S60, which was the first Volvo
sedan designed under Ford, is in fact the most reliable car/wagon they've built
in several years - the S40 notwisthsatdning because it's so new and the XC90
because it's....not a car, well, not entirely a car, it is S80 based.
| Quote: | When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
S60 was = to an A8.
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They'll make all kinds of bullshit claims to sell their cars. The local BMW
dealer swears his cars are superior to Porsches and that the "toyish" X3 is
superior to the Touraeg.
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Steve Grauman
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series |
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| Quote: | I appreciate the economic necessity to re-use various bits of h/w by
car assemblers and lord knows, there is a bit in my B6 A4 that started
as a VW product (mostly in the engine, I believe)
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Audi/VW do this quite a bit. The Golf, Jetta, New Beetle, TT and A3 are all on
the same platform. The B5 A4 and B5/5.5 Passat were on the same platform and
shared *2* engines, the 1.8T and 2.8 V6. Not to mention that Seat and Skoda
models are really just VWs with new badging. The 4.2 litre V8 is used by Audi
in the A8, A6, S4 and Allroad and by VW in the Toureag and Pheaton. The 2.7T
started in the B5 S4 and ended up in the (outgoing) A6 and Allroad.
| Quote: | So why would I buy a G35X if I can
get a Maxima (RWD) for a bunch less?
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The Maxima is FWD, actually and the G35 is built on the Altima's platform, not
the Maxima's. Plus the G35 is nicer inside and (oddly) more reasonablly priced
for what you get. The G35 is getting a new interior for 2006 models, looks
nicer.
Steve Grauman
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Steve Grauman
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series |
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| Quote: | And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
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I hope this is sarcasim. The Focus holds some ridiculous record, something like
12 recalls in 3 years, mostly for electrical problems.
Steve Grauman |
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