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Saintor
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject:
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If you can wait for the 2006 models, there will be a lot of fresh blood.
New 3-series, IS, revised A4, Passat. Did you consider the S40 T5 AWD?
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro
A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp |
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Eza Gadson
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in America).
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
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We'll just have to respectfully disagree on this one. I find both the
interior and exterior fit, finish, and feel of the ML to be appallingly
cheap and lacking in the "traditional" (but becoming less traditional with
each passing model) Mercedes quality. I have no experience with the Lexus
or the Acura, so I don't know if they are terrible as well.
| Quote: | Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
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The last body SL was the last well built MB IMHO, and it was magnificent.
While the new car is a far superior sports car, its build quality doesn't
match up. And as for the W211, I love the way it looks, and considered
replacing my wife's W124 wagon with one, until I spotted the consistently
inconsistent panel to light cluster gaps on every W211 I observed up close.
That's just plain unacceptable for cars this expensive. Look at what Audi's
doing these days. There's just no excuse for cheap plastics and big
inconsistent panel gaps in a "luxury" car. It's sad, but I think I know own
my last two MBs. |
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LIW
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Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:27 am Post subject:
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"Eza Gadson" <egadson@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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The ML is the worst piece of trash that Mercedes has ever sold (in
America).
The interior quality of the ML was at least as good or better than the
Acura
MDX and Lexus RX 330, neither of which are horrible by any degree. It
was fit
well and looked good, although not as good as previous Mercedes.
We'll just have to respectfully disagree on this one. I find both the
interior and exterior fit, finish, and feel of the ML to be appallingly
cheap and lacking in the "traditional" (but becoming less traditional with
each passing model) Mercedes quality. I have no experience with the Lexus
or the Acura, so I don't know if they are terrible as well.
Check out a 1994 vintage W124 E-class or an even older W126 S-class.
My Grandfather owned a 1979 S-Class Diesel sedan and a 1991 560 SEC
coupe that
he kept as "side" vehicles till just last year. Both were extremely well
put
togethor, but the 1998 SL500 and 2004 E500 he has at the moment aren't
bad
either. I'm waiting for a new Sl to replace the 98'.
Steve Grauman
The last body SL was the last well built MB IMHO, and it was magnificent.
While the new car is a far superior sports car, its build quality doesn't
match up. And as for the W211, I love the way it looks, and considered
replacing my wife's W124 wagon with one, until I spotted the consistently
inconsistent panel to light cluster gaps on every W211 I observed up
close.
That's just plain unacceptable for cars this expensive. Look at what
Audi's
doing these days. There's just no excuse for cheap plastics and big
inconsistent panel gaps in a "luxury" car. It's sad, but I think I know
own
my last two MBs.
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You may be joining an expanding group. My recently purchased 02 Audi S8 is
a far better car than my W140 S Class Mercedes was (1999).
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Chas
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Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:42 am Post subject:
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"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi Quattro A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp
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To be honest, I know nothing about BMW, but would warn you off the A4 based
solely on my experience of Audi's customer service. Audi's are great, until
they break - then you are truely ***ed. I'd had mine 3 weeks, had a problem
and was made to feel like a piece of **** when taking it back. Dealer would
not even acknowledge the fault and 'threatened' that I'd need to see the
area Audi rep before they would consider addressing the fault.
Note I'm still an Audi owner, but only for another week or so (a year was
long enough). Go figure - and IMHO go elsewhere.
I'm not trolling. My A4 is the best vehicle I've ever had period; ****ing
fantasic car. My local service is the worst I've ever had and it's a bad
combination and that's why I'm off. I've also read about superb Audi
customer service, so perhaps you need to flag down some local Audi drivers. |
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Wayne Crannell
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:40 am Post subject:
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In article <cpgeo3$p5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"Chas" <chas@nospamhere.net> wrote:
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I'm not trolling. My A4 is the best vehicle I've ever had period; ****ing
fantasic car. My local service is the worst I've ever had and it's a bad
combination and that's why I'm off. I've also read about superb Audi
customer service, so perhaps you need to flag down some local Audi drivers.
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You're right. A truly great car when it is working and when you are not
selling a kidney to pay for whatever ticky-tack thing broke this week.
Our two Audis become zero Audis next summer.
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Dan J.S.
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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Cam Newton wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi
Quattro A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp
Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
Too bad it's so ugly. :(
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
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The IS is rear wheel drive... and the new one will be AWD... |
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Dan J.S.
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:28 am Post subject:
Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series |
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"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@telus.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:42:03 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
Cam Newton wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi
Quattro A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp
Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
Too bad it's so ugly. :(
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
The IS is rear wheel drive... and the new one will be AWD...
I am thinking too much weight for the frame with a new AWD system.
Everybody is onto AWD but Audi was there first.
Why not an Volvo S40? Or save loadsadough and go with the Mazda 3.
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Mazda has problems with the rotary engines... Volvo, I guess, but that has
an old man image, like a Cadillac... |
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Cam Newton
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:28 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:42:03 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Cam Newton wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi
Quattro A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp
Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
Too bad it's so ugly. :(
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
The IS is rear wheel drive... and the new one will be AWD...
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I am thinking too much weight for the frame with a new AWD system.
Everybody is onto AWD but Audi was there first.
Why not an Volvo S40? Or save loadsadough and go with the Mazda 3. |
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daytripper
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:28 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:19:49 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
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"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@telus.com> wrote in message
news:41be056d.16527094@news.gv.shawcable.net...
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:42:03 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
Cam Newton wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi
Quattro A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp
Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
Too bad it's so ugly. :(
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
The IS is rear wheel drive... and the new one will be AWD...
I am thinking too much weight for the frame with a new AWD system.
Everybody is onto AWD but Audi was there first.
Why not an Volvo S40? Or save loadsadough and go with the Mazda 3.
Mazda has problems with the rotary engines...
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And this is important wrt the Mazda 3....why, exactly?
| Quote: | Volvo, I guess, but that has an old man image, like a Cadillac...
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What planet have you been living on? |
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chris
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:28 am Post subject:
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Dan J.S. wrote:
| Quote: | "Cam Newton" <ccnewto@telus.com> wrote in message
news:41be056d.16527094@news.gv.shawcable.net...
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:42:03 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
Cam Newton wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi
Quattro A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp
Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
Too bad it's so ugly. :(
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
The IS is rear wheel drive... and the new one will be AWD...
I am thinking too much weight for the frame with a new AWD system.
Everybody is onto AWD but Audi was there first.
Why not an Volvo S40? Or save loadsadough and go with the Mazda 3.
Mazda has problems with the rotary engines... Volvo, I guess, but that has
an old man image, like a Cadillac...
The Mazda 3 does not have a rotary engine. Only the RX8. |
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Mike Smith
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Dan J.S. wrote:
| Quote: | "Cam Newton" <ccnewto@telus.com> wrote in message
news:41be056d.16527094@news.gv.shawcable.net...
Why not an Volvo S40? Or save loadsadough and go with the Mazda 3.
Mazda has problems with the rotary engines... Volvo, I guess, but that has
an old man image, like a Cadillac...
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The Mazda 3 uses regular inline-4 engines. Nice ones, too.
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Cam Newton
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:04 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:19:49 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
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"Cam Newton" <ccnewto@telus.com> wrote in message
news:41be056d.16527094@news.gv.shawcable.net...
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:42:03 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
Cam Newton wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:50:42 -0500, Mike Smith
mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Asfwindsor" <asfwindsor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207155725.07572.00001849@mb-m01.aol.com...
I am considering a used 3 Series, maybe the Xi model or an Audi
Quattro A4.
Thoughts, opinions and facts are appreciated.
H Castorp
Both unreliable. Get a Lexus IS.
Too bad it's so ugly. :(
The IS 300 is too small, no ski sack, flip/fold down seats, FWD...
shall I go on? Get the Corolla XRS for 1/2 the price if you are stuck
on a small car.
The IS is rear wheel drive... and the new one will be AWD...
I am thinking too much weight for the frame with a new AWD system.
Everybody is onto AWD but Audi was there first.
Why not an Volvo S40? Or save loadsadough and go with the Mazda 3.
Mazda has problems with the rotary engines... Volvo, I guess, but that has
an old man image, like a Cadillac...
I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3 |
with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more. And Ford quality to
boot. Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
day is an A6 stripper. |
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Peter Bell
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:54 am Post subject:
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In message <41bf4245.97639207@news.gv.shawcable.net>
ccnewto@telus.com (Cam Newton) wrote:
| Quote: | I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
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Are you sure about that? The original S40 and Mitsubishi Carisma were
based on the same platform.
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Cam Newton
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:20 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:54:15 GMT, Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
| Quote: | In message <41bf4245.97639207@news.gv.shawcable.net
ccnewto@telus.com (Cam Newton) wrote:
I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
Are you sure about that? The original S40 and Mitsubishi Carisma were
based on the same platform.
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Well, that us kinda my point: re-use, recycle, refurbish and
re-market. If I want a Mazda 3 I will buy one.
I appreciate the economic necessity to re-use various bits of h/w by
car assemblers and lord knows, there is a bit in my B6 A4 that started
as a VW product (mostly in the engine, I believe) but if this keeps on
going there will be five car assemblers with four models each. I can
hardly wait. By then at least my license will be revoked due to age (I
am thinking of a few decades in the future).
One item of note: when I was looking at the G35X in the spring the
sales guy sales: all Nissan parts. So why would I buy a G35X if I can
get a Maxima (RWD) for a bunch less? To me, he made a mistake. The
Audi sales guy made a point of saying: all Audi, not VW parts. I
didn't want to task him on the engine. I just had to let that one go.
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Mike Smith
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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Cam Newton wrote:
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I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
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Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
| Quote: | Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
day is an A6 stripper.
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I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
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