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Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject:
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does any one know how much to change a cam belt on the A 4 Avante year 2002
with 58000 miles .
if possible diy or what main agent will charge
malcolm
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Iain Miller
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Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:17 am Post subject:
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"bt news groups" <malcolm.brooke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | does any one know how much to change a cam belt on the A 4 Avante year
2002
with 58000 miles .
if possible diy or what main agent will charge
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Which engine?
If its a 1.8/1.8T you'd be looking at around £450+VAT at the dealer - maybe
slightly more.
If you are in the South east (of the UK), www.wheelbase.uk.com will do it
for a bit less and give a good service.
DIY will cost you around £225 in parts for the belt, tensioner, pulley and
idler pulley and then the AC Belt, the Serpantine belt and the PAS/Waterpump
belt - you'd be mad not to change the 3 V belts while you were in there. Its
a long job but not especially difficult - you have to pull the front of the
car apart.
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malcolm
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Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject:
Re: cam belt change on year two thousand |
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its a1900 tdi 5speed
thanks ian
same money or less
malcolm
"Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message
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"bt news groups" <malcolm.brooke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cp597k$573$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
does any one know how much to change a cam belt on the A 4 Avante year
2002
with 58000 miles .
if possible diy or what main agent will charge
Which engine?
If its a 1.8/1.8T you'd be looking at around £450+VAT at the dealer -
maybe
slightly more.
If you are in the South east (of the UK), www.wheelbase.uk.com will do it
for a bit less and give a good service.
DIY will cost you around £225 in parts for the belt, tensioner, pulley and
idler pulley and then the AC Belt, the Serpantine belt and the
PAS/Waterpump
belt - you'd be mad not to change the 3 V belts while you were in there.
Its
a long job but not especially difficult - you have to pull the front of
the
car apart.
I.
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Iain Miller
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Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject:
Re: cam belt change on year two thousand |
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"malcolm" <malcolm.brooke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | its a1900 tdi 5speed
thanks ian
same money or less
I don't know - can't imagine it would be significantly less. Suggest you |
riung the nearest VW dealer & ask - they usually have "menu" pricing for
cambelts & should just be able to give you a figure. Make sure that it
includes changing the tensioners & rollers & also ask about the external
drive belts as well - might as well do 'em all while they are in there.
rgds
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Thomas G. Marshall
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:37 am Post subject:
Tensioner /really/ need to be replaced???-----WAS: cam belt |
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Iain Miller coughed up:
| Quote: | "malcolm" <malcolm.brooke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cp711s$8p2$1@titan.btinternet.com...
its a1900 tdi 5speed
thanks ian
same money or less
I don't know - can't imagine it would be significantly less. Suggest
you riung the nearest VW dealer & ask - they usually have "menu"
pricing for cambelts & should just be able to give you a figure. Make
sure that it includes changing the tensioners & rollers & also ask
about the external drive belts as well - might as well do 'em all
while they are in there.
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Mine: 2000 / a4 / 1.8T
Back when I was a Mitsubishi eclipse gsx (AWD) owner, and this car was
notorious for dead timing belts at 100 feet past 60,000 miles, I asked a
former member of mitsubishi racing about the extra replacements that go
along with changing a timing belt on the eclipse.
He told me that replacing the water pump and tensioners was always overkill
in cars----and that it was usually a money-scam to make more money for the
dealerships and that he never does it.
Perhaps this is easy to say if you actually belong to mitsubishi and all
"your" cars are mitsubishi's, but do any of you find this to be true.
These costs are not insignificant once you start adding in *all* these
"just-in-case"'s. It really seems to get out of hand. The local guy is
demanding $1000 for my a4 TB replacement (new tensioner, water pump, few
other belts).
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Steve Sears
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:36 am Post subject:
Re: Tensioner /really/ need to be replaced???-----WAS: cam b |
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Thomas,
When I bought my '87 5ktq, the guy I bought it from had just had the clutch
replaced. A year after I bought it, a whining/hum began which I traced to a
leaking rear crank seal. A replacement seal cost me all of about $10, but
pulling the tranny and clutch to get at the seal to replace it would cost me
big $.
From what I read here, and what I hear from other folks who work on cars,
it's often the bearings in the waterpump and tensioner that fail and take
out the belt. Once the mechanic has the old belt off, it's best to replace
those things while they're in there. Chances are, if you replace the other
things they would have lasted another 60k miles, if you don't, they'll fail
before the next belt change ;-) If they fail (and you catch them), the best
case is that it costs you _WAY_ more than it would have had you had it done
while the belt was being done.
BTW, mechanics on a race team are no more experts on the longevity of parts
than regular mechanics - maybe even less so - engines and subjected to hell
for a race or a few, and then rebuilt or replaced. Very seldom do race
engines drive the car for 60k miles without major work or replacement.
Yep, $1000 is alot of money - but so is an engine replacement.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
(SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply) .......blarphoogy
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:3Goud.2028$eO5.1491@trndny08...
| Quote: | Iain Miller coughed up:
"malcolm" <malcolm.brooke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cp711s$8p2$1@titan.btinternet.com...
its a1900 tdi 5speed
thanks ian
same money or less
I don't know - can't imagine it would be significantly less. Suggest
you riung the nearest VW dealer & ask - they usually have "menu"
pricing for cambelts & should just be able to give you a figure. Make
sure that it includes changing the tensioners & rollers & also ask
about the external drive belts as well - might as well do 'em all
while they are in there.
Mine: 2000 / a4 / 1.8T
Back when I was a Mitsubishi eclipse gsx (AWD) owner, and this car was
notorious for dead timing belts at 100 feet past 60,000 miles, I asked a
former member of mitsubishi racing about the extra replacements that go
along with changing a timing belt on the eclipse.
He told me that replacing the water pump and tensioners was always
overkill
in cars----and that it was usually a money-scam to make more money for the
dealerships and that he never does it.
Perhaps this is easy to say if you actually belong to mitsubishi and all
"your" cars are mitsubishi's, but do any of you find this to be true.
These costs are not insignificant once you start adding in *all* these
"just-in-case"'s. It really seems to get out of hand. The local guy is
demanding $1000 for my a4 TB replacement (new tensioner, water pump, few
other belts).
--
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Ian S
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Tensioner /really/ need to be replaced???-----WAS: cam b |
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"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:3Goud.2028$eO5.1491@trndny08...
| Quote: | Iain Miller coughed up:
"malcolm" <malcolm.brooke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cp711s$8p2$1@titan.btinternet.com...
its a1900 tdi 5speed
thanks ian
same money or less
I don't know - can't imagine it would be significantly less. Suggest
you riung the nearest VW dealer & ask - they usually have "menu"
pricing for cambelts & should just be able to give you a figure. Make
sure that it includes changing the tensioners & rollers & also ask
about the external drive belts as well - might as well do 'em all
while they are in there.
Mine: 2000 / a4 / 1.8T
Back when I was a Mitsubishi eclipse gsx (AWD) owner, and this car was
notorious for dead timing belts at 100 feet past 60,000 miles, I asked a
former member of mitsubishi racing about the extra replacements that go
along with changing a timing belt on the eclipse.
He told me that replacing the water pump and tensioners was always
overkill
in cars----and that it was usually a money-scam to make more money for the
dealerships and that he never does it.
Perhaps this is easy to say if you actually belong to mitsubishi and all
"your" cars are mitsubishi's, but do any of you find this to be true.
These costs are not insignificant once you start adding in *all* these
"just-in-case"'s. It really seems to get out of hand. The local guy is
demanding $1000 for my a4 TB replacement (new tensioner, water pump, few
other belts).
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The problem with not replacing the water pump is that there is a high
probablility that it will fail before the TB gets replaced again. My last
Audi's water pump went at about 85,000 miles so I think it makes good sense
to replace it along with the TB. I don't know about later models but I
believe there was an improved tensioner design after my A4 was built in
1998. In fact I understand that tensioner failuire may be a causitive factor
in the "failure" of TB's on some A4s.
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Thomas G. Marshall
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Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:28 am Post subject:
Re: Tensioner /really/ need to be replaced???-----WAS: cam b |
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Steve Sears coughed up:
| Quote: | Thomas,
When I bought my '87 5ktq, the guy I bought it from had just had the
clutch replaced. A year after I bought it, a whining/hum began which
I traced to a leaking rear crank seal. A replacement seal cost me
all of about $10, but pulling the tranny and clutch to get at the
seal to replace it would cost me big $.
From what I read here, and what I hear from other folks who work on
cars, it's often the bearings in the waterpump and tensioner that
fail and take out the belt. Once the mechanic has the old belt off,
it's best to replace those things while they're in there. Chances
are, if you replace the other things they would have lasted another
60k miles, if you don't, they'll fail before the next belt change ;-)
If they fail (and you catch them), the best case is that it costs you
_WAY_ more than it would have had you had it done while the belt was
being done.
BTW, mechanics on a race team are no more experts on the longevity of
parts than regular mechanics - maybe even less so - engines and
subjected to hell for a race or a few, and then rebuilt or replaced.
Very seldom do race engines drive the car for 60k miles without major
work or replacement.
Yep, $1000 is alot of money - but so is an engine replacement.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
(SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply) .......blarphoogy
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Ok, thanks. By the way, I noticed that you have the same dream-sig that I
have had.... :) Made me nearly fall over laughing.......
....[rip]...
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Thomas G. Marshall
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Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:29 am Post subject:
Re: Tensioner /really/ need to be replaced???-----WAS: cam b |
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Ian S coughed up:
| Quote: | "Thomas G. Marshall"
tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:3Goud.2028$eO5.1491@trndny08...
Iain Miller coughed up:
"malcolm" <malcolm.brooke@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cp711s$8p2$1@titan.btinternet.com...
its a1900 tdi 5speed
thanks ian
same money or less
I don't know - can't imagine it would be significantly less. Suggest
you riung the nearest VW dealer & ask - they usually have "menu"
pricing for cambelts & should just be able to give you a figure.
Make sure that it includes changing the tensioners & rollers & also
ask about the external drive belts as well - might as well do 'em
all while they are in there.
Mine: 2000 / a4 / 1.8T
Back when I was a Mitsubishi eclipse gsx (AWD) owner, and this car
was notorious for dead timing belts at 100 feet past 60,000 miles, I
asked a former member of mitsubishi racing about the extra
replacements that go along with changing a timing belt on the
eclipse.
He told me that replacing the water pump and tensioners was always
overkill in cars----and that it was usually a money-scam to make
more money for the dealerships and that he never does it.
Perhaps this is easy to say if you actually belong to mitsubishi and
all "your" cars are mitsubishi's, but do any of you find this to be
true.
These costs are not insignificant once you start adding in *all*
these "just-in-case"'s. It really seems to get out of hand. The
local guy is demanding $1000 for my a4 TB replacement (new
tensioner, water pump, few other belts).
The problem with not replacing the water pump is that there is a high
probablility that it will fail before the TB gets replaced again. My
last Audi's water pump went at about 85,000 miles so I think it makes
good sense to replace it along with the TB. I don't know about later
models but I believe there was an improved tensioner design after my
A4 was built in 1998. In fact I understand that tensioner failuire
may be a causitive factor in the "failure" of TB's on some A4s.
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