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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:23 pm    Post subject: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

Automotive turkeys of 2004


The Ford Explorer Sport Trac was given the highest probability of roll
over for a sport utility vehicle by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Commission.


By Dan Lienert

During Thanksgiving, reflections on the things for which you should be
thankful traditionally take place over turkey â€" but the turkeys
you're about to see here are not savory, and the reflections on this
year's auto industry you're about to read are not of the fond variety.
In this, our annual carving of automotive turkeys, we look back on the
worst of this year's cars â€" but the group of last-place vehicles
gets less unsightly every year as automotive design, engineering,
manufacturing and quality continue to improve. To keep our assessments
objective, we devised four standards with which we could hunt down the
car business' biggest turkeys.


(1) the car that has been recalled the most this year,

(2) the new car with the lowest projected reliability,

(3) those cars which had the worst crash-test results and

(4) those which are projected to retain the lowest percentages of their
values.


Automotive turkeys 2004

Dodge Neon SE sedan (tie)$13,745•

Ford Taurus LX sedan (tie)$20,320•

Mercury Sable GS sedan (tie)$21,595•

Ford Explorer Sport Trac pickup $23,690•

Ford Focus ZX3 coupe$13,270•

Kia Rio sedan$10,390•

Lincoln Navigator sport utility$49,225•

Mitsubishi Lancer sedan (tie)$13,597•

Nissan Sentra sedan (tie)$12,740•

Porsche Cayenne sport utility$41,100


*Projected to retain the lowest percentage of its original value.
Source: Forbes.com• Two of those issues need a bit of clarification.
First, we got our crash-test results from the National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration (or NHTSA, pronounced "NIT-suh"), the section of
the U.S. Department of Transportation that administers highway safety
laws. NHTSA's tests, which include frontal- and side-impact crash tests
as well as tests to determine a vehicle's rollover resistance, use
scales of one to five stars, with a five-star rating being highest.
Among all of NHTSA's 2004 model crash tests, only one resulted in a
one-star rating: the performance of the rear seat of Ford Motor's Focus
ZX3 two-door in side-impact collisions. Because NHTSA performs so many
tests beside this one, we decided our turkey shoot should include the
next lowest rung on the ladder as well and feature all 2004 models with
two-star ratings.


The other issue that needs a closer look is projected reliability, which
is the most subjective of our standards. It is even more so than
estimates about residual values, which also involve predicting the
future; both figures come from current data, but a car with poor
reliability ratings often has them because it has a picky clientele. The
cars that tend to rank lowest in reliability ratings are often built by
upscale manufacturers, such as Ford's Land Rover and DaimlerChrysler's
Mercedes-Benz subsidiaries--brands whose names can be tarnished by high
expectations. Calling a car unreliable involves complaining about it in
the first place. Whereas 40 years ago you might have expected your new
car's dashboard clock to work for the first afternoon and then never
again, the owner of a modern, $90,000


Mercedes is much more likely to scrutinize his vehicle for things to
have the dealer fix--to say nothing of the fact that as technology gets
more complex, automakers are increasingly discouraging of home repairs,
placing plastic covers over engine bays in order to hide your car's
inner-workings and force more visits to the dealer. That said,
reliability is a crucial issue for new car buyers, and we got our
information on the subject from the gold standard: Consumer Reports.
While that publication and the Kelley Blue Book Residual Value Guide
involve the future for new cars, we wanted this piece to be a look back
on the year. Therefore, the discussion in the slide show is about 2004
model cars, even though many 2005 models are now on the market. We also
wanted to avoid dying or dead model lines, so when we make statements
such as "the Focus ZX3 was the only car with a one-star rating," we are
excluding lame ducks such as General Motor's Chevrolet Cavalier, which
is being replaced by the Cobalt, as well as '04 models that have been or
are being replaced with overhauled 2005 models, such as the new Ford
Mustang. The slide show also excludes cars that are headed for
discontinuation without replacement, such as the unlamented Chevrolet
Astro van.


The presence of a car on our turkey list is not a condemnation of the
vehicle, because thanks to improved manufacturing and higher standards
few cars these days can be called complete stinkers. However, it can be
illuminating to see which supposedly well-engineered models still manage
to score poorly. For example, the model that has the distinction of
being the most recalled car this year (we won't give it away here) is
also the one that is projected to retain the highest percentage of its
original value. The cars on our list are not bad across the board; they
just own certain dubious statistics.


But when it comes to making a buying decision, consumers should remember
that Thanksgiving comes only once a year but you'll be stuck with these
turkeys every day.

© 2004 Forbes.com

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There are two classes of pedestrians in these days of reckless motor
traffic - the quick and the dead.
~ Lord Dewar 1933 ~

Climbing into a hot car is like buckling on a pistol. It is the great
equalizer. ~ Henry G. Felsen 1964 ~

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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover. The roll over myth is foisted by the shark lawyer to
sue and the environuts effort to get people to stop buying the
vehicle they want. It takes some extreme forces or and object to
elevate the side of a vehicle to a point it will roll over rather
than fall back on its wheels. Watch all the SUV's that you see
spin in circles in chases shown in movies and on TV that never
rollover. To get any vehicle to turn over the stunt people need
to run them up ramps four of five feet high.


mike hunt



Rich B wrote:
Quote:

Automotive turkeys of 2004

The Ford Explorer Sport Trac was given the highest probability of roll
over for a sport utility vehicle by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Commission.
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« Paul »
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:21 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
Quote:

The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover. The roll over myth is foisted by the shark lawyer to
sue and the environuts effort to get people to stop buying the
vehicle they want. It takes some extreme forces or and object to
elevate the side of a vehicle to a point it will roll over rather
than fall back on its wheels. Watch all the SUV's that you see
spin in circles in chases shown in movies and on TV that never
rollover. To get any vehicle to turn over the stunt people need
to run them up ramps four of five feet high.

mike hunt

Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the news.
I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.

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Eugene
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

Full_Name wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:14:24 -0600, "Phillip Schmid"
schmste8@hotmail.com> wrote:


"« Paul »" <"stayp"@notsuoh .rr.moc> wrote in message
news:fZKsd.115189$jq5.78261@fe2.texas.rr.com...

Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the
news. I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the
process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.

How much of it is that people don't know how to control the vehicle? I
could see it happening much easier if someone made a swerve to miss
something then sharply swerving back. I've heard that some of the problem
with the Explorers and their rollovers were that the tires blew and people
immediately hit the brakes and went over to the side of the road.

Here in Milwaukee I don't think I've ever seen a rollover, even in the
winter months. I believe that semi accidents here are more common then
rollovers too, but I'm not positive.

I've done donuts in a Blazer (I think it has a 2 star rollover rating) and
I felt the body shift a little but nothing that would stop me from doing
it again. Just like in a Caprice.

Having handled quite a number of roll-over claims I think that what
isn't being mentioned is the unintentional off road maneuvers some
folk engage in, coupled with T-Bone accidents & you've got your
statistics. In the T-Bone field, Toyota Echo's tend to roll quite
nicely for a car.

On a related point of interest, I've seen very few "drifters" driving
4x4's trucks. Mostly low center of gravity cars.

But like you said. 99.999999999% of the time it's operator
malfunction.
The other proof of operator error is to look at history. Suburbans and full

size Blazers, Bronco's, IH Scout, have been around for many years, back
through the 70's, 60's, 50's. They didn't seem to have a problem with roll
overs then, it wasn't until the 90's when everyone got tired of driving
tiny cars and started moving up that you have people that shouldn't be
driving now driving vehicles which the media likes to target for a story so
when two accidents happen in town, one being a car, one being an SUV the
news reports on the SUV accident so they can point out how "evil" the SUV's
are.
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Phillip Schmid
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

"« Paul »" <"stayp"@notsuoh .rr.moc> wrote in message
news:fZKsd.115189$jq5.78261@fe2.texas.rr.com...
Quote:

Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the news.
I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the
process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.

How much of it is that people don't know how to control the vehicle? I could
see it happening much easier if someone made a swerve to miss something then
sharply swerving back. I've heard that some of the problem with the
Explorers and their rollovers were that the tires blew and people
immediately hit the brakes and went over to the side of the road.

Here in Milwaukee I don't think I've ever seen a rollover, even in the
winter months. I believe that semi accidents here are more common then
rollovers too, but I'm not positive.

I've done donuts in a Blazer (I think it has a 2 star rollover rating) and I
felt the body shift a little but nothing that would stop me from doing it
again. Just like in a Caprice.
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Full_Name
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:14:24 -0600, "Phillip Schmid"
<schmste8@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

"« Paul »" <"stayp"@notsuoh .rr.moc> wrote in message
news:fZKsd.115189$jq5.78261@fe2.texas.rr.com...

Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the news.
I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the
process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.

How much of it is that people don't know how to control the vehicle? I could
see it happening much easier if someone made a swerve to miss something then
sharply swerving back. I've heard that some of the problem with the
Explorers and their rollovers were that the tires blew and people
immediately hit the brakes and went over to the side of the road.

Here in Milwaukee I don't think I've ever seen a rollover, even in the
winter months. I believe that semi accidents here are more common then
rollovers too, but I'm not positive.

I've done donuts in a Blazer (I think it has a 2 star rollover rating) and I
felt the body shift a little but nothing that would stop me from doing it
again. Just like in a Caprice.

Having handled quite a number of roll-over claims I think that what

isn't being mentioned is the unintentional off road maneuvers some
folk engage in, coupled with T-Bone accidents & you've got your
statistics. In the T-Bone field, Toyota Echo's tend to roll quite
nicely for a car.

On a related point of interest, I've seen very few "drifters" driving
4x4's trucks. Mostly low center of gravity cars.

But like you said. 99.999999999% of the time it's operator
malfunction.
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« Paul »
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

Phillip Schmid wrote:
Quote:

"« Paul »" <"stayp"@notsuoh .rr.moc> wrote in message
news:fZKsd.115189$jq5.78261@fe2.texas.rr.com...

Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the news.
I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the
process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.

How much of it is that people don't know how to control the vehicle? I could
see it happening much easier if someone made a swerve to miss something then
sharply swerving back. I've heard that some of the problem with the
Explorers and their rollovers were that the tires blew and people
immediately hit the brakes and went over to the side of the road.

Here in Milwaukee I don't think I've ever seen a rollover, even in the
winter months. I believe that semi accidents here are more common then
rollovers too, but I'm not positive.

I've done donuts in a Blazer (I think it has a 2 star rollover rating) and I
felt the body shift a little but nothing that would stop me from doing it
again. Just like in a Caprice.

It's just a guess on my part, but I bet the vast majority of the roll
over drivers barely know how to drive and have no comprehension of their
vehicles' control attributes. In the last year I have rented 10 suv's
and put at least 1000 miles on each one. Never had a problem with any of
them. I always raise the tire pressure from suggested 26 psi to 40++ psi
and do slow speed slaloms before starting my trip.
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Jonathan Race
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

Here oare some of my personal observations from 20 years in fire/rescue:

(These concern single vehicle rollovers only with no outside influences)
Full-size vans are more prone to roll over than SUV's.
SUV's are more prone to roll than large cars (Chevy Caprices, Lincoln
Towncars and the like).
4wd SUV's are more prone to roll over than 2wd SUV's.
Smaller cars are more prone to roll over than larger cars.
Empty 2wd (not lifted or with larger tires) pick-ups have about the same
tendency to roll over that larger cars do.

It's not only the overall height, although that is one factor. I find the
largest factors in single-vehicle rollovers not having to do with operator
error or equipment malfunction involves the overall weight of the vehicle
versus the track width of the vehicle. The Toyota Echo and Matrix, and the
Ford Focus are all lightweight cars with narrow tracks and significant
height vs. width ratios. All of these are very prone to rollovers.
Speaking from personal experience, it's hard to get a Towncar or full size
2wd pickup truck to roll over even using a forklift!

Cheers - Jonathan
--
Jonathan A. Race
Lieutenant, EMS Supervisor
Orange County (FL) Fire Rescue Department

(This message may contain personal opinions and/or information not related
to my employment or employer)
<BenDover@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:41B373FE.B9C91D9D@mailcity.com...
Quote:
The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover. The roll over myth is foisted by the shark lawyer to
sue and the environuts effort to get people to stop buying the
vehicle they want. It takes some extreme forces or and object to
elevate the side of a vehicle to a point it will roll over rather
than fall back on its wheels. Watch all the SUV's that you see
spin in circles in chases shown in movies and on TV that never
rollover. To get any vehicle to turn over the stunt people need
to run them up ramps four of five feet high.


mike hunt



Rich B wrote:

Automotive turkeys of 2004

The Ford Explorer Sport Trac was given the highest probability of roll
over for a sport utility vehicle by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Commission.
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Peter car 469
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

oh yes 18 wheeler and jack knife what fun that is, that sounds alot like swift
truckers ha. yeah i admit i had a trailer start to come around and bend only
thing you can do is hold on and pray. but people have to remember to drive more
safe and think fast. if you travel alot you see some stupid idiots out there
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:47:58 -0500, BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:

Quote:
The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover. The roll over myth is foisted by the shark lawyer to
sue and the environuts effort to get people to stop buying the
vehicle they want. It takes some extreme forces or and object to
elevate the side of a vehicle to a point it will roll over rather
than fall back on its wheels. Watch all the SUV's that you see
spin in circles in chases shown in movies and on TV that never
rollover. To get any vehicle to turn over the stunt people need
to run them up ramps four of five feet high.


mike hunt

In the Northeast Pennsylvania,

it seemed every time there was a bit of bad weather,
the next days newspaper would have at least one;
"SUV left the road at high rate of speed...."


<rj>
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

Quote:
It's just a guess on my part, but I bet the vast majority of the roll
over drivers barely know how to drive and have no comprehension of their

vehicles' control attributes. In the last year I have rented 10 suv's
and put at least 1000 miles on each one. Never had a problem with any of
them. I always raise the tire pressure from suggested 26 psi to 40++ psi
and do slow speed slaloms before starting my trip.

Why 40 PSI? Doesn't that increase the chance of a blowout at high speed due
to the higher pressure inside the tire working against you when you corner,
go over a bump, or brake?
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

Every day? You must therefore see a LOT of cars rolled over as
well, since the same thing happens with cars as SUV's, they
slide...... unless some other force acts
upon the vehicle during the slide that would cause any vehicle to
roll over. 'Rollover' is a catch word for the shark lawyers and
the environuts. The facts are that years of statistical evidence
shows that slightly less than 8% of ALL vehicles sold in the US
will ever be involved, in its lifetime, in a accident sufficient
to deploy the SRS. Less than 2% of those are involved in a
rollover.. Statistically you are twice as likely to be hit by
lightning as involved in a roll over accident. ;)


mike hunt



« Paul » wrote:
Quote:

BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:

The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover. The roll over myth is foisted by the shark lawyer to
sue and the environuts effort to get people to stop buying the
vehicle they want. It takes some extreme forces or and object to
elevate the side of a vehicle to a point it will roll over rather
than fall back on its wheels. Watch all the SUV's that you see
spin in circles in chases shown in movies and on TV that never
rollover. To get any vehicle to turn over the stunt people need
to run them up ramps four of five feet high.

mike hunt

Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the news.
I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
Quote:
The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover.

Well, where I live, there have been at least two 18-wheeler rollovers in
the past month that have shut down the highway just off the neighborhood
I live in. And the alternate highway? 4 rollovers in the past month,
in which everything from coins from an armored car to bed matresses to
LIVE CHICKENS to cake mix (which we also learned is actually quite
flammable and set an entire row of toll booths aflame) hit the pavement.

Rollovers are more common than you think.


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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

« Paul » wrote:

Quote:
Never had a problem with any of
them. I always raise the tire pressure from suggested 26 psi to 40++ psi

40++??! Well I guess fate really does protect small children and fools.
Though I sure as hell don't want to be in your vicinity when your
overinflated tires blow.



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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Worst Automotive Turkeys of 2004 Reply with quote

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:27:44 -0500, "Matt Keefer" <mkeefer@cogeco.ca>
wrote:

Quote:
It's just a guess on my part, but I bet the vast majority of the roll
over drivers barely know how to drive and have no comprehension of their
vehicles' control attributes. In the last year I have rented 10 suv's
and put at least 1000 miles on each one. Never had a problem with any of
them. I always raise the tire pressure from suggested 26 psi to 40++ psi
and do slow speed slaloms before starting my trip.

Why 40 PSI? Doesn't that increase the chance of a blowout at high speed due
to the higher pressure inside the tire working against you when you corner,
go over a bump, or brake?

40 PSI isn't likely increase the risk of blowouts at the speed limit.

OTOH.... It will greatly reduce one's traction thereby limiting the
liklihood of a traction induced rollover.

If you've ever seen an advanced driving school high speed "reverse
into drive" direction change induced roll over you'll know what I
mean.

But as the other poster's have stated. Roll-over accident's are rare
enough for a competent driver not to be concerned. Just don't let
your learner driver try high speed maneuver in an old Explorer with
under inflated tires.
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