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Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:02 am Post subject:
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If you say so, but the records of the NHTSA indicate
otherwise. ;)
mike hunt
Isaiah Beard wrote:
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BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover.
Well, where I live, there have been at least two 18-wheeler rollovers in
the past month that have shut down the highway just off the neighborhood
I live in. And the alternate highway? 4 rollovers in the past month,
in which everything from coins from an armored car to bed matresses to
LIVE CHICKENS to cake mix (which we also learned is actually quite
flammable and set an entire row of toll booths aflame) hit the pavement.
Rollovers are more common than you think.
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Isaiah Beard wrote:
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« Paul » wrote:
Never had a problem with any of
them. I always raise the tire pressure from suggested 26 psi to 40++ psi
40++??! Well I guess fate really does protect small children and fools.
Though I sure as hell don't want to be in your vicinity when your
overinflated tires blow.
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Under inflated tires are the ones that blow out due to flexing
the sidewalls. I have never had a blowout (except due to track debris
or suspension failure) in the millions of miles that I have driven...
some of them way over 100 mph... both on track and off. |
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« Paul »
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
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Every day? You must therefore see a LOT of cars rolled over as
well, since the same thing happens with cars as SUV's, they
slide...... unless some other force acts
upon the vehicle during the slide that would cause any vehicle to
roll over. 'Rollover' is a catch word for the shark lawyers and
the environuts. The facts are that years of statistical evidence
shows that slightly less than 8% of ALL vehicles sold in the US
will ever be involved, in its lifetime, in a accident sufficient
to deploy the SRS. Less than 2% of those are involved in a
rollover.. Statistically you are twice as likely to be hit by
lightning as involved in a roll over accident. ;)
mike hunt
« Paul » wrote:
BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover. The roll over myth is foisted by the shark lawyer to
sue and the environuts effort to get people to stop buying the
vehicle they want. It takes some extreme forces or and object to
elevate the side of a vehicle to a point it will roll over rather
than fall back on its wheels. Watch all the SUV's that you see
spin in circles in chases shown in movies and on TV that never
rollover. To get any vehicle to turn over the stunt people need
to run them up ramps four of five feet high.
mike hunt
Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the news.
I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.
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I rarely see cars rolled over.
Try doing a quick half (or better) steering wheel rotation
and then back again in the other direction at 60 mph in a suv.
My Vette always spun out. I don't want to try it in my Grand Am.
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« Paul »
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Matt Keefer wrote:
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It's just a guess on my part, but I bet the vast majority of the roll
over drivers barely know how to drive and have no comprehension of their
vehicles' control attributes. In the last year I have rented 10 suv's
and put at least 1000 miles on each one. Never had a problem with any of
them. I always raise the tire pressure from suggested 26 psi to 40++ psi
and do slow speed slaloms before starting my trip.
Why 40 PSI? Doesn't that increase the chance of a blowout at high speed due
to the higher pressure inside the tire working against you when you corner,
go over a bump, or brake?
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Oh. I should have mentioned that the vehicles are loaded with about
1000 pounds of tools, parts, luggage, and me. |
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject:
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If you say so, I guess ;)
mike hunt
« Paul » wrote:
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BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
Every day? You must therefore see a LOT of cars rolled over as
well, since the same thing happens with cars as SUV's, they
slide...... unless some other force acts
upon the vehicle during the slide that would cause any vehicle to
roll over. 'Rollover' is a catch word for the shark lawyers and
the environuts. The facts are that years of statistical evidence
shows that slightly less than 8% of ALL vehicles sold in the US
will ever be involved, in its lifetime, in a accident sufficient
to deploy the SRS. Less than 2% of those are involved in a
rollover.. Statistically you are twice as likely to be hit by
lightning as involved in a roll over accident. ;)
mike hunt
« Paul » wrote:
BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
The fruth is, in the real world very few vehicles ever
'rollover.' If the height of a vehicle was the cause of vehicle
rollovers one would see one hell of a lot of six wheel trucks
rolledover. The roll over myth is foisted by the shark lawyer to
sue and the environuts effort to get people to stop buying the
vehicle they want. It takes some extreme forces or and object to
elevate the side of a vehicle to a point it will roll over rather
than fall back on its wheels. Watch all the SUV's that you see
spin in circles in chases shown in movies and on TV that never
rollover. To get any vehicle to turn over the stunt people need
to run them up ramps four of five feet high.
mike hunt
Hmmm...
Visit Houston sometime.
At least one or two suv's rollover every day on the freeway.
I see them going and coming from work or see/hear about them on the news.
I don't know how many I don't see or don't make the news.
It is so common here that few people pay attention any more unless
someone dies.
Last summer I had the opportunity to help extricate a dead woman with a
crushed head out of a rolled over Explorer.
Also, on average, one 18 wheeler jack-knifes or rolls over everyday
on the freeway. On average, one 18 wheel tanker flips and explodes each
week on the freeway - usually taking out a section of roadway in the process.
I agree with your observations about trucks though.
I can't remember ever seeing a rolled over 6 or 10 wheeler.
Stiff suspension makes them slide.
I rarely see cars rolled over.
Try doing a quick half (or better) steering wheel rotation
and then back again in the other direction at 60 mph in a suv.
My Vette always spun out. I don't want to try it in my Grand Am. |
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Isaiah Beard
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:25 am Post subject:
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MikeHunt2@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | If you say so, but the records of the NHTSA indicate
otherwise. ;)
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Then post your figures, instead of just hinting at them.
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:26 am Post subject:
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« Paul » wrote:
| Quote: | I rarely see cars rolled over.
Try doing a quick half (or better) steering wheel rotation
and then back again in the other direction at 60 mph in a suv.
My Vette always spun out. I don't want to try it in my Grand Am.
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I HAD to do it once in an '02 Grand Am. Recovered quite well, and the
deer in my way AND my insurance company were probably quite thankful for it.
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:25 am Post subject:
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One should be careful not to run into something else in a effort
to avoid an animal. Collisions with an animal are covered by
ones comprehensive coverage, which is not considered an 'at
fault' accident and if purchased properly has a low or zero
deductible. On the other hand if in avoiding an animal one
strikes another vehicle, the loss is covered under ones collision
coverage which generally has a much higher deductible and it is
considered an 'at fault' accident that effects ones premium
rate. Hitting an animal is generally less dangerous than hitting
another car head on ;)
mike hunt
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« Paul » wrote:
I rarely see cars rolled over.
Try doing a quick half (or better) steering wheel rotation
and then back again in the other direction at 60 mph in a suv.
My Vette always spun out. I don't want to try it in my Grand Am.
I HAD to do it once in an '02 Grand Am. Recovered quite well, and the
deer in my way AND my insurance company were probably quite thankful for it.
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Isaiah Beard
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:13 am Post subject:
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DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | One should be careful not to run into something else in a effort
to avoid an animal.
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There's a difference between running into something and swerving into a
clear lane of traffic to miss something.
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:25 am Post subject:
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Gee, why didn't I think of that ;)
mike hunt
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DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
One should be careful not to run into something else in a effort
to avoid an animal.
There's a difference between running into something and swerving into a
clear lane of traffic to miss something.
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:31 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:25:48 -0500, DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | One should be careful not to run into something else in a effort
to avoid an animal. Collisions with an animal are covered by
ones comprehensive coverage, which is not considered an 'at
fault' accident and if purchased properly has a low or zero
deductible. On the other hand if in avoiding an animal one
strikes another vehicle, the loss is covered under ones collision
coverage which generally has a much higher deductible and it is
considered an 'at fault' accident that effects ones premium
rate. Hitting an animal is generally less dangerous than hitting
another car head on ;)
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Agree 100% (with a few exceptions)
If it's a Moose, Horse, Cow or Large bear I'll "try" to avoid it.
Those animals tend to have a habit of making the driver wish they'd
spun out into a fence) But like mentioned above. Any animal is
softer than an oak tree or Tractor Trailer with 40 Tonnes coming the
opposite way. |
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