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Jeff Strickland
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:49 am Post subject:
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"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Don't kid yourself that today's NASCAR cars bare any resembelence to the
stock cars of yesteryear.
Well, you could also certainly say that F1 cars of today are very
different
from those of yesteryear too. But I guess the point you are making (and
correctly so), is that it's time to stop using "Nascar" and stock car
racing
together. But this probably won't stop. Record stores sell only CD's etc.
They are both outdated names.
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Well, no. F1 cars have evolved greatly, this is certainly true. But they
were never presented as anything other than racing machines. NASCAR cars, on
the other hand, were formerly known as Stock Cars. They were for all
practical purposes the very same cars we could go to the showroom and buy
and drive home. Obviously, we would have to order the performance packages,
so we would not necessarily drive them home the same day, but we could order
them and wait for the truck to drop them off at the dealership, then we
could go get them and drive them home.
It isn't time to stop using the term NASCAR, it might do us well to stop
saying Stock Car though.
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Jeff Strickland
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:53 am Post subject:
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"Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Somebody" <somebody@nospam.russdoucet.com> wrote in message
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recall, the driver gets a dial inside the car to adjust the
suspension.
They
can also adjust the brake bias, something that NASCAR drivers do not
have
the ability to do. A properly set up F1, Indy, or CART car will go
straight
That's incorrect, the drivers can indeed adjust the brake bias in a
Cup
car.
Only useful at short tracks and road courses.
-Russ.
I'll have to pay more attention, I have never heard the guys on TV
explain
about adjusting brake bias in a Cup car, or in Busch or the trucks
either.
I
always here them explain it in F1, Indy and CART.
It's a pretty hot topic at Richmond or Martinsville where brakes are
paramount, and also to a lesser extent at either of the road courses.
Other
than that it doesn't get much air time, simply because nobody ever touches
the adjustement at the superspeedways because there is no reason to at
all.
Some of the other short tracks it will come up if a guy is having trouble
with his brakes, but that's about it. So I'm not surprised you haven't
heard
it much if you weren't listening for it.
-Russ.
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Actually, it is precisely the short tracks where one would expect the
commentator to give us an explanation of brake bias, and how the drivers can
affect it from inside the cockpit, but they don't. Or, at least I don't
remember them talking about it. In fact, they make a point of zooming the
picture in on glowing front rotors, and explain in detail why the rotors get
so hot, but they have never talked about brake bias that I can recall. One
would think that the best bias would be that which made all of the rotors
glow so that the braking effort was more evenly distributed, which is what
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C.R. Krieger
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:20 am Post subject:
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<10pg81qb8gr3v7c@corp.supernews.com>...
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Back in the 60s and 70s, even into the 80s, they were cars off of the
showroom floor with modifictations done to them.
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Actually, the basis in showroom stock bodies in NASCAR pretty much
ended around 1970. It had begun in 1967 when a slight rules change
allowed the use of Ford Galaxie front crossmembers in the smaller and
newly-legal Fairlane (Mercury Cyclone) chassis. Tube frame front ends
quickly followed and, by about 1972, there was hardly any actual
'stock' left in the cars aside from some sheetmetal. With a template
for each body, that held on for a little longer, but the chassis were
completely fabricated early in the '70s.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Remembers with regret)
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:35 am Post subject:
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"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
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Actually, it is precisely the short tracks where one would expect the
commentator to give us an explanation of brake bias, and how the drivers
can
affect it from inside the cockpit, but they don't. Or, at least I don't
remember them talking about it. In fact, they make a point of zooming the
picture in on glowing front rotors, and explain in detail why the rotors
get
so hot, but they have never talked about brake bias that I can recall. One
would think that the best bias would be that which made all of the rotors
glow so that the braking effort was more evenly distributed, which is what
bias means.
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Again if you listen to it, it's there. Most commonly it is used in Cup cars
on short tracks to adjust the handling going into the corner, even to
compensate for a mid-race "adjustment" by the wall or another car. I can't
recall it being brought up in terms of brake wear or effort, though that's
surely a part of it and governs the neutral setting that they start out
with.
Anyway next short track listen for it, you'll hear them talking about brake
bias. Usually it's the former driver of the TV crew that mentions it.
-Russ. |
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Jeff Strickland
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:03 am Post subject:
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"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Back in the 60s and 70s, even into the 80s, they were cars off of the
showroom floor with modifictations done to them.
Actually, the basis in showroom stock bodies in NASCAR pretty much
ended around 1970. It had begun in 1967 when a slight rules change
allowed the use of Ford Galaxie front crossmembers in the smaller and
newly-legal Fairlane (Mercury Cyclone) chassis. Tube frame front ends
quickly followed and, by about 1972, there was hardly any actual
'stock' left in the cars aside from some sheetmetal. With a template
for each body, that held on for a little longer, but the chassis were
completely fabricated early in the '70s.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Remembers with regret)
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That early? I thought the full tube chassis didn't come to us until the 80s.
Oh well ... |
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