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visitor
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:26 am Post subject:
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I noticed the idle speed is now 900-1000 rpm (warm engine) after completing
the service recall on my 2003 M3 with SMG.
But before the service recall, it was around 700-800 rpm.
Also, the car use to occasionally hesitate and even stall when starting from
the 1st gear and gear changes (automatic mode) were sluggish.
Now, the car runs great!
Anyone else have this experience?
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Bill
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:59 am Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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If you bought a proper sports car, as opposed to a Schumacher 'wannabe'
gearbox, then 1st gear and gear changes wouldn't be a problem.
Why do people buy SMG gearboxes? Too lazy for a clutch pedal?
And why are you using it in auto mode you Muppet!
"visitor" <visitor@justpassingthrough.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I noticed the idle speed is now 900-1000 rpm (warm engine) after
completing
the service recall on my 2003 M3 with SMG.
But before the service recall, it was around 700-800 rpm.
Also, the car use to occasionally hesitate and even stall when starting
from
the 1st gear and gear changes (automatic mode) were sluggish.
Now, the car runs great!
Anyone else have this experience?
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Jim Levie
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:59:18 +0000, Bill wrote:
| Quote: | If you bought a proper sports car, as opposed to a Schumacher 'wannabe'
gearbox, then 1st gear and gear changes wouldn't be a problem.
Why do people buy SMG gearboxes? Too lazy for a clutch pedal?
Have you driven a late model with SMG II? Not a 10 minute demo ride but |
long enough to learn how to use it properly? I find them to be pretty
amazing beasties in full sport mode on twisty, challenging, roads.
Apparently the WRC drivers think so too and I haven't yet seen one of
those cars that didn't have a similar system. And those guys really flog
those cars through the stages.
| Quote: | And why are you using it in auto mode you Muppet!
In stop and go traffic I think that SMG's auto mode makes a lot of sense. |
Having driven manuals for years I'll take an SMG or BMW auto over a stick
when there's lots of city driving involved. It is just oh so much easier.
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Dave Plowman (News)
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:30 am Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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In article <pan.2004.12.02.05.34.11.92207@entrophy-free.net>,
Jim Levie <jim@entrophy-free.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Apparently the WRC drivers think so too and I haven't yet seen one of
those cars that didn't have a similar system.
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Do you have the roll cage too? ;-)
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TonyK
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:52 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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"visitor" <visitor@justpassingthrough.com> wrote in message
news:24ednbYTj_JvtTPcRVn-pg@rcn.net...
| Quote: | I noticed the idle speed is now 900-1000 rpm (warm engine) after
completing
the service recall on my 2003 M3 with SMG.
But before the service recall, it was around 700-800 rpm.
Also, the car use to occasionally hesitate and even stall when starting
from
the 1st gear and gear changes (automatic mode) were sluggish.
Now, the car runs great!
Anyone else have this experience?
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Didn't have any problems before and the idle is pretty much the same
although I now find the 2-1 changedown is definately quicker at junctions
and the upchages inn S5 & 6 feel a bit smoother. This could be down to the
teach-in process though. |
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Gabe Knuth
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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Bill, you're an ass. Post a productive comment once in a while.
"Bill" <post@newsgroup.com> wrote in message news:<collkp$cti$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>...
| Quote: | If you bought a proper sports car, as opposed to a Schumacher 'wannabe'
gearbox, then 1st gear and gear changes wouldn't be a problem.
Why do people buy SMG gearboxes? Too lazy for a clutch pedal?
And why are you using it in auto mode you Muppet!
"visitor" <visitor@justpassingthrough.com> wrote in message
news:24ednbYTj_JvtTPcRVn-pg@rcn.net...
I noticed the idle speed is now 900-1000 rpm (warm engine) after
completing
the service recall on my 2003 M3 with SMG.
But before the service recall, it was around 700-800 rpm.
Also, the car use to occasionally hesitate and even stall when starting
from
the 1st gear and gear changes (automatic mode) were sluggish.
Now, the car runs great!
Anyone else have this experience?
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adder
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:00 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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"TonyK" <Aenuff@bobsplace.org> wrote in message news:<31800mF38c5kbU1@individual.net>...
| Quote: | "visitor" <visitor@justpassingthrough.com> wrote in message
news:24ednbYTj_JvtTPcRVn-pg@rcn.net...
Didn't have any problems before and the idle is pretty much the same
although I now find the 2-1 changedown is definately quicker at junctions
and the upchages inn S5 & 6 feel a bit smoother. This could be down to the
teach-in process though.
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I didn't buy SMG 'cos I thought I couldnt live with it. ...but I
can't live with the manual manual gearbox either. The e46 M3 was a
huge disappointment to me. |
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Bill
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:10 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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I'm not the same 'Bill' as above... but I would like to try the SMG because
I like the newer BMWs and my wife doesn't drive a stick (I prefer one). I'd
think it would be more sporting than the pure Auto box.
Isn't this also the same progression we saw when the boxes went from 4-speed
to 5-speed? And now there's less chance of the dreaded 'mechanical over-rev'
common with those who can't really drive a stick, and less tear-up on the
clutch-shifter-transmission, too.
just my 2 cents.
"adder" <adder1969@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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"TonyK" <Aenuff@bobsplace.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "visitor" <visitor@justpassingthrough.com> wrote in message
news:24ednbYTj_JvtTPcRVn-pg@rcn.net...
Didn't have any problems before and the idle is pretty much the same
although I now find the 2-1 changedown is definately quicker at junctions
and the upchages inn S5 & 6 feel a bit smoother. This could be down to the
teach-in process though.
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I didn't buy SMG 'cos I thought I couldnt live with it. ...but I
can't live with the manual manual gearbox either. The e46 M3 was a
huge disappointment to me. |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:03 am Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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In article <31aj4qF36q1kgU1@individual.net>,
TonyK <Aenuff@bobsplace.org> wrote:
| Quote: | SMG is a compromise 80% of the time but the remaining 20% helps make up
for the losses. Why not a manual-manual? I found the manual box as good
if not a bit better than the five speed. The only thing that put me off
was the heavier clutch which was a PITA as almost all my driving is
stop-go. You're not suggesting an auto are you ;-)
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Until BMW brings out a smooth changing SMG when in auto mode, yes. I hate
clunky changing when not in a hurry. I drive smoothly under those
circumstances with a true manual and expect an auto - of any type - to do
the same.
BMW are very late in deciding to go down the twin clutch/layshaft route
which appears to be the only way to achieve this with a servo operated
synchromesh box and clutch. I doubt it will surface for another couple of
years.
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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TonyK
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:19 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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"Bill" <wechorba@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10qumhallv1ap90@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | I'm not the same 'Bill' as above... but I would like to try the SMG
because
I like the newer BMWs and my wife doesn't drive a stick (I prefer one).
I'd
think it would be more sporting than the pure Auto box.
Isn't this also the same progression we saw when the boxes went from
4-speed
to 5-speed? And now there's less chance of the dreaded 'mechanical
over-rev'
common with those who can't really drive a stick, and less tear-up on the
clutch-shifter-transmission, too.
just my 2 cents.
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IMO/E SMG is not auto-enough to be a comfortable replacement for someone
used to a automatic, ie. no hold on hills (unless you mess with paddles),
must feather throttle for smooth changes and if you knock a paddle it
reverts to sequential.
You'll probably find the six speed auto with steptronic is the right move
that would be an auto with paddles to change manually which realistcally is
probably a lot easier to live with on a daily basis. Having said that my
wife loves the SMG. |
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TonyK
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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"adder" <adder1969@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:66674363.0412020900.6e24d510@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "TonyK" <Aenuff@bobsplace.org> wrote in message
news:<31800mF38c5kbU1@individual.net>...
"visitor" <visitor@justpassingthrough.com> wrote in message
news:24ednbYTj_JvtTPcRVn-pg@rcn.net...
Didn't have any problems before and the idle is pretty much the same
although I now find the 2-1 changedown is definately quicker at
junctions
and the upchages inn S5 & 6 feel a bit smoother. This could be down to
the
teach-in process though.
I didn't buy SMG 'cos I thought I couldnt live with it. ...but I
can't live with the manual manual gearbox either. The e46 M3 was a
huge disappointment to me.
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SMG is a compromise 80% of the time but the remaining 20% helps make up for
the losses. Why not a manual-manual? I found the manual box as good if not a
bit better than the five speed. The only thing that put me off was the
heavier clutch which was a PITA as almost all my driving is stop-go. You're
not suggesting an auto are you ;-) |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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In article <newscache$3ra58i$78o$1@news2.power.net.uk>,
Adam Hill <a@b.com> wrote:
| Quote: | IMHO anyone who buys SMG expecting an auto should seriously question
why they are buying it. It is not an auto with manual mode, more the
other way around.
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And seems to have as many disadvantages as a conventional auto when that
tries to give full manual control
| Quote: | Having said that, it is very easy ( once you learn the
box ) to change gear smoothly in an SMG II car under most circumstances
- though it takes a little more thought than a manual. The reason being,
in a manual you can use the clutch to counter any lack of dexterity on
the throttle, and hence smooth things out. You don't have that option in
an SMG.
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Well, the SMG has the same control over the clutch as you have, so it
would seem to be only a question of powerful enough electronics. Although
I doubt any servo mechanism can interperate the feel of the clutch
'biting' in the same way as a human.
| Quote: | For me, SMG is a compromise 30% of the time but the other 70%
more than makes up for it :-).
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On an open road being driven for fun, I still prefer a standard manual.
The SMG might well be better for track days or playing at being a race
driver - which seems to be a common reason judging by the number of times
this comes up for why it's so good. ;-)
| Quote: | Mind you, the dual clutch system seems a
more sensible route ( assuming that it doesn't get confused when you
don't do what it expects. ) Surely though a proper sequential box along
motorbike likes would be better still??
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A dog engagement box is simply too crude for a car.
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Adam Hill
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject:
Re: higher idle RPM after service recall |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
| Quote: | Until BMW brings out a smooth changing SMG when in auto mode, yes. I hate
clunky changing when not in a hurry. I drive smoothly under those
circumstances with a true manual and expect an auto - of any type - to do
the same.
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IMHO anyone who buys SMG expecting an auto should seriously question why
they are buying it. It is not an auto with manual mode, more the other way
around. Having said that, it is very easy ( once you learn the box ) to
change gear smoothly in an SMG II car under most circumstances - though it
takes a little more thought than a manual. The reason being, in a manual
you can use the clutch to counter any lack of dexterity on the throttle,
and hence smooth things out. You don't have that option in an SMG.
For me, SMG is a compromise 30% of the time but the other 70% more than
makes up for it :-). Mind you, the dual clutch system seems a more sensible
route ( assuming that it doesn't get confused when you don't do what it
expects. ) Surely though a proper sequential box along motorbike likes
would be better still?? |
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